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hey this is Sean and this is Jay and

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we're going to talk about flying saucers

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foreign

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what's up Sergey how are you today

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I'm doing really well how are you doing

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today good I'm doing the best I can

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getting over uh kovid which kicked in on

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Friday on the last show I did and I

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think I've gone through the worst of it

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so I think I'm in the clear I still feel

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a little run down you know

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yeah well and I just love being a big

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baby

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no no I mean this stuff it affects

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everybody a little bit differently it

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seemingly you know what I mean I've I've

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had it twice myself and the first time

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was like right there at the beginning

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you know

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um yeah back like about I don't know

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four weeks after the world shut down for

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a little while there and uh because you

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know I'm over here in New York City area

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and so I was in that kind of first wave

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um and that hit me really hard and then

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the second time it was fine like if if

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it hadn't been for me not being able to

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smell coffee or like or the kitchen then

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I you know I wouldn't have even known

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you know what I mean so I don't I don't

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you know all that stuff is such a

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mystery to me but uh I'm glad to hear

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that you're feeling I'm glad to hear

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that you're feeling better already you

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know yeah yeah definitely well I got a

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vaccine like two months ago so I think

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that probably helped a lot I'm guessing

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but you know I don't know what we're

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dealing with so yeah

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so the longer that we go I'm not sure

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that anybody does you know what I mean

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I know

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um well we have an amazing guest today

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we have um Sergeant Mario Woods who had

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quite a close counter at Ellsworth uh

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Air Force Base in the 70s

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um do you have uh a short intro for Mr

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Mario we can bring him in

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uh sure yeah Mario Woods an Air Force

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veteran um that left the service in 1983

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to work for the United States Department

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of energy and later for the National

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Labs and nuclear industry production

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facilities

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um he was at Y-12 National Security

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complex in Oak Ridge Tennessee and then

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the k-25 gaseous diffusion facility

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known for their Rich enrichment of

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uranium

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during the Manhattan Project he wasn't

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there but it was that's where it

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happened

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um he departed U.S the department of

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energy in 1986 and uh now works I

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believe in a paper company his UFO

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incident in 1977 was featured in 2020 on

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the program unidentified

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he's a witness and experiencer in what

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is now known as the Ellsworth UFO case

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Mario it's absolutely wonderful and an

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honor to have you here on the show today

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hey John Jay how are y'all

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hope everything's good yeah no I'm good

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thank you so much for doing this I know

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you've been you've had a couple

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interviews now so I I hope you're not

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sick of telling your story because you

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that U.S department of energy I started

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there in 83 and uh left in 96 almost 97.

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okay wow anyway

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so that's where that ended up but uh it

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was a really nice time and got to see a

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really a lot of things that uh

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were really important in our in our

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nation's security and how they're done

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yeah they've done and what has been done

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and the cleanup effort which is just

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amazing uh compared to what was there

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and what had been done oh wow

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fascinating

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um yeah so I was thinking we could just

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let you tell this story kind of

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uninterrupted it'd just take us through

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it you know

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um and get getting as much detail as you

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want or sure

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um whatever you prefer so I'd kind of

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just like to give you the floor to just

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uh tell us all what happened okay uh my

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incident occurred in November of 1977

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about uh maybe a week week and a half

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prior to Thanksgiving because I remember

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I wanted it off I was hoping I was going

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to get it off

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and uh

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our Tour of Duty on a launch control

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facility uh lasts for three days at a

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time and then you're off for three days

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these facilities are located all over

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the state of South Dakota as they are in

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Minot North Dakota Cheyenne Wyoming

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Maelstrom and Montana

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our site had 150 uh Minuteman tube

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missiles each launch control facility is

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uh has is responsible for 10 missiles

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and the Staffing in those facilities are

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six security policemen

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uh four officers captain and a

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lieutenant usually are an officer in

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charge of flight uh excuse me a facility

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manager and a chief cook and we live at

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this site together as a flight for those

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three days on and four days off

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my particular incident or I should say

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mine and Michael Johnson's who we are

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unable to locate and have been for quite

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a few years now and

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really professional investigators have

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attempted to find him in in any way that

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you know hey say you've got a search in

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every direction and every platform you

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can to try and find someone sure he told

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me he's from Chicago Illinois and I only

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got to work with him that one night

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really for a few hours before this

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uh he as he was working vacation relief

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and my normal partner who was a member

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and I was the team leader uh went home

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to North Carolina to get married

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so uh it started at about 9 20 at night

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uh on a particular night I don't know if

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it was a Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday

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you really didn't pay much much mind to

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that working three days on you know and

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three days off you just did your tour

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and went home you know relieved and it

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went on but anyway

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I simply stepped outside the launch

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control facility again is where you live

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and also I want you to know that these

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sites are are not at Ellsworth here

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that's just your main support base okay

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yeah these sites range from the Badlands

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of South Dakota

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all the way down past wall all the way

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up to just about the Wyoming border

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which would be the kilo sector uh which

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is north of Spearfish or Sturgis in that

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area and Newell where my site was

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would be Belle Fourche and that was

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about 20 29 miles north I'm just tempted

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to give you an idea of where it's

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located sure and um anyway

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um this happened about 9 20 at night I

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just stepped outside to smoke a

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cigarette and take a break and it was

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extremely cold

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now we'd had a blizzard the week before

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but it hadn't gotten above freezing for

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about a week so there was a lot of snow

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on the ground ground was frozen

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and uh I smoked cigarette and standing

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out there looking over the Prairie

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because you're just looking basically

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where North Dakota is due north of you

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you know as you just look at the stars

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because it's just crystal clear and it

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feels as if you can just reach up and

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grab a star out of the Milky Way it's

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just so it's beautiful you know if you

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live in a city you really can't

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appreciate how a starry night truly is

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until you've been on a prairie at a mile

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high and see it in that way

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um I I see this light I I I honestly

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thought it was either helicopters or a

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B-52 bomber which uh Ellsworth supported

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a uploaded bomber Wing at that time of

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B-52 bombers and they used to fly

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saudi's practice runs real low to the

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ground I didn't know how low they could

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go but they can really they could really

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get low to the ground and um they

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usually fly in well more than one

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there'd be a couple of them as an

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assorty

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helicopters do the same too but you

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wintertime as you did the Buffs or The

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and uh this was about a 30 degree

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elevation to the east due east of me

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I'd say at 30 degrees it couldn't have

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been that high you know maybe

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maybe uh I'm just guessing

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uh distance four or five miles just

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estimating I'm really not sure uh our

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perimeter is a uh on this launch control

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facility is quite large it the perimeter

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it's fenced and of course you have

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security lighting and that type of thing

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uh which is security perimeter lighting

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you know so we can see anything coming

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at us

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and um our officers are underground in a

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launch control facility two officers at

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a time uh half your staff is on bed rest

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and the other half are on duty six to

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six six a.m to 6 p.m or 6 p.m to 6 a.m

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are the hours that we work

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and uh so as I said it's about 9 20 when

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I stepped outside and I smoked a

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cigarette and I just looked to my East

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at about a 30 degree elevation and I see

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this large object

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or large light and they just look really

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odd because I I didn't know that

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aircraft could carry a light can or you

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know a Searchlight would have been a

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better description of it like on an

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aircraft a stationary and uh I don't

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know you can put your I guess you could

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put your hand your palm your fist up in

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the air like that and cover it that way

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you know at the distance it was but as

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it got a little closer it was bigger

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than that so that's what really got my

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curiosity and alcohol what is that you

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know is that a star or something I don't

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know about or not the moon

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anyway it was completely different than

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anything and the Luminosity the

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intensity of the light was very unusual

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and I've seen many many different lights

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uh anyhow

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I just thought for the heck of it I said

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what the heck I'll walk back in the

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front door of the lcf and I stepped

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right to my right and was a flight

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Security controller's office and a

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friend of mine Bill Holloman he was he

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was a staff sergeant he was on the phone

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with his wife back on base and he didn't

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do anything wrong I said Bill I said you

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ought to see this thing in the sky here

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man it's really really weird

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and he really didn't pay much mind to me

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he just kind of weighed me off you know

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not thinking and uh and right behind him

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was the control switch with just a

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rocker switch to control 12 to 14

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facility lights and they're like two

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foot diameter cans around the building

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and the and the fencing perimeter

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so I just walked up honestly just walked

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up and went Flip Flip Flip Flip Flip

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like that on off on off on off I did it

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three times and walk back outside real

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quick just kind of looking to see if

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it's an aircraft you know a lot of times

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you know uh helicopters they'll they'll

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come at you like that they'll

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acknowledge that you're you're flashing

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them and I only learned that because my

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father was a chief engineer with uh

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Texaco and uh when I used to sail with

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him at times they would use lights to

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communicate at Sea and chips passing

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that kind of thing and I later worked

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for a maritime company also so I saw

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that too and I always knew that see it

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on old movies you know you know what I

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mean but anyway

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so I did it and I went back outside and

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then the damn thing flipped his lights

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off and back on at me just like I did I

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went okay

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that was fun so I ran back inside again

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and it didn't come any closer it was

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still the same place which really

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confused me it was in the same place in

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the sky

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so I ran and I told Michael Johnson I

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said and as I said he was new and he was

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my team leader he got Rent Me by two

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months

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uh I said Michael I said you need to

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come out here and see this and we really

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did not know each other we've only met

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coming out riding out to the field and

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um

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he just kind of looked up at me I think

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he was watching some TV or something

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so he he walks outside with me and he

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sees he sees it and it's lit up so I

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said watch this man watch this I said

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just watch it for a minute and I'll flip

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the lights off and on at it again

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and it didn't flip back at me but it

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went off

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and he just it kind of he just kind of

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looked at it and didn't come back on and

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when it came back on it it moved North

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and I guess to the West which would have

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been closer to us but at like an angle

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45 degree angle

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uh I studied that so hard when I went

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back out there but but that Discovery

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plus channel in that and because I got

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to stand on my very Footprints and look

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and and think what this thing was doing

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but

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anyway so it came back on and it stayed

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on for a few moments he watched it and

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it went off

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and it didn't come back on

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so that happened that was the second

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time

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back in again and I flipped the lights

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flipped the lights with the lights came

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back out and it didn't come back on

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so I said well I you know it was

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probably 10 till 10 I said I guess this

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show's over and he just kind of shook

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his head and he went back inside

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he said whatever on the way in he said

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that to me twice and I'll remember that

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and uh

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so we went back in and I stayed around

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for a few months and I didn't see it

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again

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and I thought well okay that's that's

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over but that was really strange it just

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perplexed me and I it just stuck in my

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mind

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and uh went back in and probably did

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some reading or something we you know

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back then as I've said before there was

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only three TV channels in 77 and all of

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them turned off at midnight and you got

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that really weird signal thing you know

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and um it's funny because that

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television antenna I helped put it up

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the back of the building and it's still

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there today that

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feels like reliving a dream when I went

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out there but anyway really uh mural on

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the wall I helped put that up on an

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entire wall it's still there

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um but anyway

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um

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I I guess we were I was I was reading I

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don't know what Michael was doing and I

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guess it was about 12 about 12 30 and

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the

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Security controller's office and I've

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said this before and it sounds crazy but

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when it goes off it's one of those

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phones that you you have to acknowledge

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by picking it up it doesn't ring like a

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ring it just it does like that and you

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have to lift it up so check it out and

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uh Sergeant Holloman answered the phone

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and he said yes sir yes sir November

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five sit for November five and I

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remember hearing that and and that was a

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uh uh a serious alarm that was something

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that you didn't normally get it happened

390
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sometime but you didn't normally get

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that

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ground usually the antennas were impeded

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or something like that we have to go out

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we'd actually have to dig out the

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antennas at times between the arrays so

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it could reset

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but this time it was it was the outer

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penetration and the inner penetration so

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that that upgraded the alarm so a whole

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different set of procedures had to be

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done to strike as we call it the site to

402
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investigate what's going on on the site

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um and nothing I'm telling you is

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classified in any way nor would I ever

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tell anything that is classified and I

406
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do know a few things but I'm not bound

407
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by any of that anyhow but I am an

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American and I'm not good about anything

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so uh

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anyway we were debriefed uh or briefed I

411
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should say given our safety uh briefing

412
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our uskp code tables our weapons and

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everything else that we had to have

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including our ditty bags which we

415
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maintained all of our cold weather

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gearing which was on us because it was

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between 9 and 13 degrees

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and um

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got on her f-154 pickup truck

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and uh left the facility

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so as we go through the gate and we went

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down to the first intersection and it's

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all clay roads with a you know they

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really maintain them very well uh and

425
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the road beds are always up high so

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everything runs off of them and these

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are clay you can drive all the way to

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either Montana or Wyoming on a clay road

429
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hard as you want to go so so we went to

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the first um uh corner and turn left and

431
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went to the next corner to another left

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and we went up to Highway 79 which is

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about four and a half miles up to

434
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Highway 79. and uh as we were climbing

435
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the plateau or going up toward the road

436
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bed of Highway 79 which is hope uh

437
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Highway 79 in missile missile road today

438
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uh I was in the passenger seat of that

439
00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:20,220
f-154 pickup truck

440
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and I looked to my right about the four

441
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o'clock position I don't know just

442
00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:27,780
looked over toward November 5 which as

443
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the crow flies would have been about

444
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seven and a half miles away

445
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and I could see this glow a really

446
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strange white orange glow from

447
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that in that direction and I went

448
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Michael I said you see that glow can you

449
00:17:47,390 --> 00:17:44,940
see that glow and he didn't answer me

450
00:17:49,549 --> 00:17:47,400
as we came up to the road and then went

451
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on the road and took a right going down

452
00:17:53,090 --> 00:17:51,900
toward Newell we're up on a plateaus and

453
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then we're going to go down toward

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Newell

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um which was about seven and a half

456
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miles you know

457
00:18:05,090 --> 00:18:01,500
um to a stop sign

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it now became about 1 30 to 2 o'clock on

459
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my right side and I said look at that

460
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glow man I said that's that object and

461
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he just said whatever again that's the

462
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second time he said whatever to me

463
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and we rolled as we rolled down the hill

464
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the lost sight of that glow and it was a

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pulsating kind of glow I mean really a

466
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pulsating code like

467
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hot steel or hot molten something

468
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glowing I guess that's the best way to

469
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describe it but from a distance

470
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and uh

471
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so we went down to the stop sign in

472
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Newell there's only one stop sign

473
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there's one stoplight in Newell South

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Dakota on Highway 79. and the population

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then was 234 people in that town

476
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is 654 today just honestly and uh we

477
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turn right on Orman Road

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and as we turn right the road goes out

479
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about a mile and a half

480
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and then it drops back off to Clay again

481
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and it dog legs to the left and up to

482
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that point couldn't see it couldn't even

483
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see the glow but when we rounded that

484
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,340
corner When we dropped off that off that

485
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hard top of that road and rounded that

486
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corner to the left

487
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there set an object on top of November 5

488
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about 10 feet in the air

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and the size of a super Walmart building

490
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and I'm I'm not exact I'm going to use

491
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that so people can relate it to

492
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something a size

493
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that was the largest object in the air

494
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and I've seen C5 c7s I've seen all kind

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of aircraft Theory I've even seen

496
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,360
launches from the cape this thing was so

497
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,360
large it defined explanation as to how

498
00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:41,520
it could be in the in the air

499
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and it was glowing like a mini Sun

500
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almost like a plasma bowl or like a

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plasma

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shield around it there were no leading

503
00:19:54,169 --> 00:19:51,840
edges there was no thrust there was

504
00:19:56,990 --> 00:19:54,179
there was nothing that you could see as

505
00:20:00,650 --> 00:19:57,000
a cockpit or a wing or any type of a

506
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:00,660
surface of any type it just pulsated

507
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like a mini Sun

508
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and as we roughed up to the cattle gate

509
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or to the entrance of the site we

510
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:10,320
literally rolled right up to this thing

511
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that we put our vehicle at a 45 degree

512
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angle thinking that was going to do

513
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something that was our tactical move

514
00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:22,260
right

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I mean really think about that for a

516
00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:27,059
minute yeah we've got two M16s you know

517
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240 rounds between us

518
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:31,500
and and that was that's our best thing

519
00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:33,660
that's what we got

520
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,340
and um

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I'll think about that today and it just

522
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scared me literally to death because

523
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I honestly I can put myself there and it

524
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doesn't take much it can just take a

525
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,120
discussion like this to do that

526
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and I shake and hide in a way that I I

527
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it bothers me

528
00:21:00,409 --> 00:20:58,440
for some reason I knew that I knew

529
00:21:03,409 --> 00:21:00,419
I knew that Daniel thing was there for

530
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,419
us I don't know how or why

531
00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:06,000
but I knew something and I maybe that

532
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,320
might have been the wrong statement but

533
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I knew something

534
00:21:13,390 --> 00:21:11,160
and no sooner than I could think of a

535
00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:13,400
thought

536
00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:16,200
the brightness in that vehicle got so

537
00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:17,880
intense

538
00:21:22,730 --> 00:21:20,700
that it was very difficult to see and

539
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,740
Michael Johnson as I looked over to my

540
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left because nobody we had not I said

541
00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:27,000
I'm not getting out of this vehicle I've

542
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:28,860
not gotten out of it and I was the one

543
00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:35,270
I uh

544
00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:37,860
I'll roll that window down

545
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:40,440
of that f-154 pickup truck we had

546
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:42,780
stainless steel Western mirrors on this

547
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:44,220
on this truck

548
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and uh I had a three cell or four cell

549
00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:49,320
Maglite and averages huge at the time

550
00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:52,020
you could use them you know for a

551
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:53,940
self-defense if you had to but anyways

552
00:21:57,409 --> 00:21:55,740
that's what was the best that you had in

553
00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:57,419
Security Police worker that day in that

554
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:00,900
day not like the LEDs today but

555
00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:03,419
anyway with all that brightness and

556
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,360
everything going on at the atmosphere in

557
00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:08,640
the truck was literally

558
00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:11,220
honestly vacuumed out

559
00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:13,860
I felt as if I was being pulled up these

560
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,380
were single cab F-150s

561
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:18,480
and I felt as if I was being pulled

562
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:21,000
upward and I had on a parka with the you

563
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:22,919
know the first you know the fur around

564
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,090
flight pants on which are as thick as

565
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:31,200
the parka is

566
00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:35,039
and uh and I had on flight clubs and a

567
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:37,020
pilot a B-52 bomber pilot had given to

568
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:38,760
me like my first or second night at

569
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:41,400
Ellsworth and I had that on my left hand

570
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,080
and my right hand I didn't have my glove

571
00:22:47,149 --> 00:22:45,299
on because I have my mag light in it and

572
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,159
all I need to do

573
00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:49,919
I had to ask for Relief and I don't know

574
00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:53,159
why or how I even came up with that but

575
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:54,659
I rolled that window down and I reached

576
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:56,100
up and I pulled myself up on the

577
00:23:01,850 --> 00:23:00,000
windowsill at f-154 pickup truck

578
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:01,860
and I held onto the blue bubble on top

579
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,419
of it

580
00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:05,280
and I lift my arm up and I started

581
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:07,799
flashing my flashlight at that object

582
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,240
and you're talking about something

583
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:12,240
besides Walmart and I flashed a little a

584
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:14,220
little incandescent but whatever kind of

585
00:23:18,289 --> 00:23:16,380
bulb they were in a Maglite of this

586
00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:18,299
thing just Flip Flip Flip like I did the

587
00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:19,740
facility lights

588
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:22,679
and I kid you not when I did that

589
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,919
it was like an instant relief

590
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,080
could breathe again and I slid back down

591
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:30,000
on the seat

592
00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:31,799
I slid back down on that seat down and

593
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:33,320
rolled that window up

594
00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:37,440
I guess for safety purposes

595
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:43,370
I think I think I said something to

596
00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:45,780
Michael Johnson it's gonna be okay he

597
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:47,940
never said a word he was just

598
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:50,700
stuck to the steering wheel that blue

599
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:54,480
plastic streamer or the F-150 Ford

600
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:56,220
and he was a real light-skinned black

601
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,059
guy

602
00:24:01,549 --> 00:23:59,760
and he he just looked blue you know I

603
00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:01,559
mean he just I guess from the intensity

604
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,780
of this light he just looked blue When

605
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:05,820
You Close Your Eyes you could almost see

606
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:07,260
the dashboard of this truck through your

607
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,409
I put my M16 between my legs not knowing

608
00:24:21,649 --> 00:24:19,980
what the world would do why would you

609
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:21,659
ever want

610
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:23,100
why would you couldn't engage or

611
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:24,659
anything like that

612
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:27,539
you just can't do it you don't know like

613
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,220
you know you don't know how to run

614
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,740
shoot what you don't know honestly you

615
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,299
don't know you're like that

616
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:35,340
that rabbit on a prairie behind the only

617
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:38,220
Prairie Bush on the entire desert and

618
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,020
there's one wolf asked you you know and

619
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:43,200
you're behind me he knows where you are

620
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:43,980
um

621
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:47,220
and as I started to just get this total

622
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:51,470
I can't hear anything I don't I don't

623
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,400
remember hearing anything any noise I

624
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:55,260
remember seeing Michael Johnson a glow

625
00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:58,200
literally a glow

626
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:01,980
i i before I had this Vision where my

627
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,780
tunnel this Vision was going down like

628
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:06,480
this I my head was going down as if I

629
00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:08,940
was just passing out and I looked to my

630
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:10,380
right

631
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:12,179
in total fear

632
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:14,100
because I knew there was something here

633
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:15,780
behind on the other side of that glass

634
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:19,080
and that's all I had was glass

635
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:22,980
and maybe 15 feet 20 Feet max for me

636
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:24,179
were

637
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:28,880
four beams three small and one tall

638
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:31,740
and the ones the one that was tall that

639
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,020
was what I was afraid of because he was

640
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:36,179
like this much taller than the little

641
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,080
guys

642
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,880
and I couldn't believe where I was and

643
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,620
what I've seen and then it just went

644
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,529
uh

645
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:47,520
there was a

646
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:51,240
some type of a uh device about the mid

647
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:55,320
waist of being on the right and it had a

648
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:58,620
a yellowish glow tip to it

649
00:26:03,289 --> 00:25:59,820
I

650
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,299
moment

651
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,279
but then my eyes kept moving up to this

652
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:07,500
to the to the tall one

653
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:09,659
and they had Uniforms on me these were

654
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:11,880
naked people these aren't naked beans

655
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:14,340
you know these why do you fly billion

656
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:15,480
miles

657
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:18,720
and no clothes and in nine degree

658
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,460
weather I don't care what you are at

659
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:23,039
Android whatever you just can't do it I

660
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:24,600
anyway

661
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:25,860
um

662
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,520
the taller one he had this uh

663
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:32,880
some type of a protrusion a center part

664
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,340
of his chest right here you know the

665
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,679
design was an octagon it wasn't a

666
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:39,240
diamond shape or anything like that it

667
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,419
was just a different design

668
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:44,240
I'm not even sure I can draw it but it

669
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:47,340
stuck out and it was the same color as

670
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:48,900
the tip of that we wouldn't want that

671
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,799
thing that guy had that won but whatever

672
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:55,440
and then I then I was gone

673
00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:58,740
and before hypnosis

674
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:00,600
that's the last thing that I remembered

675
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,620
until until I opened my eyes sitting in

676
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,760
that seat

677
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,740
still with my M16

678
00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:09,900
in between my legs

679
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:12,419
and looking over at Michael Johnson

680
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:14,220
still I said where are we are in

681
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:19,610
and uh

682
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:21,779
he wouldn't answer me

683
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:25,140
he was as if he was uh in a trance state

684
00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:33,590
and uh

685
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,169
I just I reached down I was 22 years old

686
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:38,700
I reached and I was in really good shape

687
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,120
I reach down and I pop the door open and

688
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:44,100
I had on bunny boots

689
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,140
they're real cold weather extreme cold

690
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:48,000
weather boot with inflatable bladders on

691
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,500
them that you blow up and to keep your

692
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:51,600
feet warm and 50 below zero and you have

693
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,159
to have them there if people on aircraft

694
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:55,679
carriers wear them too but anyway I

695
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,760
stepped out

696
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:59,039
instead of stepping out on Crunchy Ice I

697
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,500
stepped out in in wet mud

698
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:04,320
which didn't make any sense at all

699
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:07,620
and before my eyes focused right to my

700
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,200
immediate right maybe six or seven feet

701
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,440
if that there was a white wall and it

702
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,600
went up as far as I could see and I

703
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,400
remember it's dark you know

704
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:19,500
and I thought I kept saying Michael

705
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:21,539
where are we what is it what are we

706
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:24,120
where are what is this place

707
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:27,480
no answer breathing I'm not even sure if

708
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,100
his eyes were blinking to be honest with

709
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:31,620
you but I think they were

710
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,779
I mean I touched his face pulled his

711
00:28:38,649 --> 00:28:36,480
face he just he was just

712
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:38,659
he was just he was hard

713
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,640
and uh

714
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,380
I couldn't pull his hands off so I mean

715
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:45,120
I really got on his hands I thought I'd

716
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:47,400
break him I mean our business steering

717
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:48,900
wheel I was trying to pull him that hard

718
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:52,679
you know not over nothing nothing his

719
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:55,080
weapon was in the weapons rack behind

720
00:29:04,010 --> 00:28:57,720
him behind us we had a weapons rack on

721
00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:05,810
doing all this

722
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:08,539
all of a sudden I hear

723
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:11,340
WSC to November 1.

724
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:15,299
WSC on November 1 and I went Wow first

725
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,679
time I've heard of radio communication

726
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:18,720
since we left

727
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:20,340
and mind you we're supposed to be doing

728
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,740
Security checks every five minutes on

729
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,440
our way to November 5 which we did

730
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:27,360
but I I don't even remember reporting

731
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,640
what we saw when we rolled up there and

732
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:30,960
you're only talking about a 15-minute

733
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,700
travel time so sure there should at

734
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:35,039
least been two Security checks during

735
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:37,080
that period of time and the third when

736
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:38,700
we arrived because when we say when

737
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:40,500
these steps are in progress that means

738
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,460
certain things are happening and

739
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:43,740
everybody knows what you're doing

740
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:45,779
what you're performing that never

741
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:51,110
still can't figure out the mud

742
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,580
I pick up the pick up the microphone

743
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,980
Motorola microphone and I don't remember

744
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:58,080
if the radio if the car that the truck

745
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:00,360
is running or not I to this day I still

746
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:02,580
can't recall that

747
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,480
um

748
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:06,559
and I answered I answered WSC I said

749
00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:11,100
senior Airman Woods WSC I said uh yes

750
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,899
sir I said we're here we're here I said

751
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:15,360
this is November 1.

752
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:17,580
and he said what's your location and uh

753
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,820
and I said sir I don't know I said I

754
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:22,320
really don't know and I said my team

755
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:24,659
leader senior Airman Michael Johnson or

756
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:27,659
senior Emory Johnson he's incoherent I

757
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:29,580
can't I can't get him to talk to me or

758
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,539
anything

759
00:30:34,610 --> 00:30:32,159
he said I need you to do one minute

760
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:34,620
Security checks with me until we locate

761
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:36,059
you we're trying to triangulate your

762
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:38,520
position uh you know we've been taught

763
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:40,140
some of that but I've never done it

764
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:41,880
they've never practiced it in basic

765
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:45,480
training or security police training

766
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,880
I mean I'm just a senior Airman so I

767
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:49,200
mean really you hadn't been there that

768
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,539
long you know but I've been but two and

769
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:53,820
three years by that time I guess but

770
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:55,320
anyway

771
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:04,130
I I I'm still trying to Wrangle with him

772
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,700
what's going on with him and I'm trying

773
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:07,320
to figure out why we're in this water

774
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:11,039
and everything else around us is ice

775
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,620
and I look to my North

776
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,840
and I Look To Myself And as far as I can

777
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:17,760
see there's a white wall

778
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,320
and it's not a wall that goes straight

779
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,179
up and down it's a wall that says a

780
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,000
slant like at a 45 degree angle but I

781
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,919
can't figure out what what is it and as

782
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,539
high as it goes right I didn't know of

783
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:29,820
anything like that and even in the in

784
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:33,059
the state I've never been there before

785
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,299
and I guess it was probably 30 minutes

786
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:38,700
before light came over the hill

787
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:41,159
but as that just before that happened I

788
00:31:48,169 --> 00:31:44,600
realized it was the sun was coming up

789
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,179
so we arrived that site at probably five

790
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,880
till one a.m just thinking the travel

791
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,279
time from 12 30 on I'm just I'm just

792
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:55,500
approximating I can't be exact because I

793
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:57,059
can't get the security police blotter if

794
00:32:03,950 --> 00:31:58,380
I could I could I could tell you

795
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:05,990
when I looked at my watch my watch was

796
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:08,940
working perfectly the low time mix the

797
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:11,159
military GI watch you know

798
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,539
and it said like 6 15. and I went oh my

799
00:32:20,110 --> 00:32:17,820
God where are we what happened where did

800
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,120
we go I mean all that was just a blank

801
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,760
from hanging out that windowsill that of

802
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,399
that up of that truck flashing my

803
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,039
flashlight to just standing next to a

804
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:31,559
snow-covered wall

805
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:33,179
somewhere I didn't know where we were

806
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,419
but when it got light and when the

807
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:38,460
sergeant Garza who was the first person

808
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:40,919
to us he was a he was an alert team from

809
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:43,140
another site

810
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:45,240
he parked about 20 yards away and he

811
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:48,600
walked up through the lights his lights

812
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:50,279
and I walked around the back of the

813
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,340
truck and I said hey I said Garza is

814
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,620
that you and he goes yeah I said I said

815
00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:57,600
uh man what happened he goes Mario I

816
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:59,399
can't talk to you about it because we're

817
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:01,260
just here to escort you back to November

818
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,460
control

819
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:04,320
and I said man I need some help with

820
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:05,700
Michael Johnson I don't know what's

821
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:07,320
wrong with him I said he's like

822
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:10,200
paralyzed or catatonic or whatever I use

823
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:12,899
is the word of that used as that word at

824
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,580
that time you know

825
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,039
yeah and I said I can't I said I don't

826
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:18,480
know how to get him to move like he

827
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,039
won't talk I said he's just Frozen

828
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,840
facing forward and hanging on that

829
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:23,340
steering wheel so tired I you know I

830
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,600
thought it would break his arm hand

831
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,399
trying to get him off of it

832
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:28,440
but we unbelted him he had a seat belt

833
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:29,700
on

834
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:36,899
before I stepped out of that truck but

835
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,019
we finally managed to do that

836
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:42,299
and come to find out the back of that

837
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:44,220
wall that was the back of the new Lake

838
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,720
Reservoir Dam

839
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,179
and if you look at it from the air we

840
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:50,820
were in the dead center lowest point of

841
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:54,059
the entire expanse length of that of the

842
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,840
back

843
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,360
burn wall of that Dam

844
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:59,580
and had Michael Johnson this is the

845
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:01,980
weird part had we driven down in there

846
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,720
now I had to look at all aspects of this

847
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,820
there we only had two wheel drive

848
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,559
vehicles there was nowhere to turn

849
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:10,320
around nowhere it wasn't room enough you

850
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:11,879
couldn't get narrow enough to do it

851
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:16,139
because the Overflow Pond or lake or

852
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:18,060
whole I called it

853
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:20,339
is was about four and a half to five

854
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:22,260
feet outside Michael Johnson's door on

855
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,500
the driver's side so the only way we had

856
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,440
gotten where we got to was backed into

857
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:30,540
there and I know that didn't happen

858
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,580
because when I opened my eyes that's

859
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:34,919
where we that's where we were just that

860
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,139
simple other than we were picked up and

861
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,540
placed there

862
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:41,520
I don't know to this day I don't know

863
00:34:47,169 --> 00:34:44,460
and going back going back there was was

864
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,389
it was almost frightening it really was

865
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:53,040
to just think about what

866
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:56,099
what really honestly happened and to try

867
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:57,540
to answer some of these questions I've

868
00:35:03,410 --> 00:34:59,880
had for 44 years

869
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,420
when we uh one thing that really got me

870
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,060
was that morning when that sun came up

871
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:09,240
looking to the South

872
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,099
there was a bend in the road you could

873
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:13,200
see coming from an elevated elevated

874
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,720
section coming down to this Reservoir

875
00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:18,000
and as I said I'd never I'd never been

876
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,839
there before didn't even know it existed

877
00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:22,800
the uh

878
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,180
there's a tree a single tree

879
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:28,859
it looked like a western Hanging Tree

880
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,520
and it's still there today still growing

881
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:34,320
I mean it still there that was

882
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,119
significant that I

883
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,520
remember that that you know remember

884
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:40,020
that tree and it's still there now

885
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:42,300
there's a few buildings out there now

886
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:43,859
and things are a little different there

887
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:46,200
but um

888
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,079
we were escorted back November one

889
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:51,180
and as we arrived of course they were

890
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,920
there were three alert teams that

891
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:54,960
escorted this back and it wasn't very

892
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,300
far it was only eight miles away

893
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:00,240
from new from new Lake Reservoir Dam

894
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:05,690
how many miles

895
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,579
I've got it on a Charleston yeah it's

896
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,040
fun we googled but um

897
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,099
when we got November 1 of course they

898
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,839
separated Michael Johnson and I because

899
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:17,280
he still wasn't speaking he was sitting

900
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,420
in the passenger seat he was just

901
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,160
sitting there with his arms down on his

902
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:22,320
lap you know and when we got there the

903
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:24,119
flag Chief and assistant fly Chief and

904
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:26,820
we had the uh facility manager he came

905
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:29,640
out and everybody was trying to help

906
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:33,119
and uh I got my ditty bag and Michael

907
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:35,099
Johnson was in the vehicles somebody

908
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:38,040
else got his we went in did all of our

909
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:39,720
weapons clearing stuff out we did his

910
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:42,119
weapon turned everything in code tables

911
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,740
all that

912
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,560
and then we had to they were separated

913
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:48,240
they took him in the back in the back

914
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,220
bedroom somewhere I think the uh

915
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:52,140
facility managers

916
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:56,119
uh uh bedroom area and the on the the

917
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:59,460
officers that were on duty were now the

918
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,320
ones asking questions because they were

919
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,599
on duty when they dispatched us

920
00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:06,000
and um and the ones that were off duty

921
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,500
at the time they're underground at that

922
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,640
particular time

923
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:10,440
so because relief always has to be

924
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,260
maintained nothing can go unmanned at

925
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,119
all even before we could leave the

926
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,579
facility two new security policemen had

927
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:19,740
to come out from another from from base

928
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,280
relieve us and then we could leave

929
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:25,619
uh

930
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,680
I I I answered so many questions because

931
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:30,240
everybody kept saying man what happened

932
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,060
what what did you see what what you know

933
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:35,700
what happened and I just tried to relate

934
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:37,980
everything the best I could I did not

935
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:40,619
say anything about what I saw out my

936
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:42,780
window I did not tell them I saw four

937
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:45,960
beings I did not say that

938
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:48,720
at one point I wasn't sure if I did but

939
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:50,579
I know in my heart and I know in my mind

940
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:52,680
that I did I can see them today I can

941
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,980
see the mister or whatever it was or the

942
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,800
the clouded Vision or the tunnel vision

943
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:00,960
I can see it I can see those daggone

944
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,480
things glowing you know and and it takes

945
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,940
you right to the attention of of the the

946
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:07,440
tall one's face because he was different

947
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,440
than the than the three in front

948
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:12,240
I don't know how but he was different

949
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:16,500
and uh or it was different that being

950
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:17,940
was different

951
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:20,880
they know exactly what they're doing uh

952
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:23,339
there is no doubt on my ex-military mind

953
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:26,520
of what who they are what they are and I

954
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,960
have no idea why they're here but they

955
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:29,520
can do anything they want to do when

956
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:31,980
they want to do it

957
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,000
um

958
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:35,040
so after I answered every question I

959
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,599
could possibly answer and I know my

960
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:38,339
flight Chief is taking notes the

961
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:39,780
assistant flight Chief was back in the

962
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,460
back of Michael Johnson I'm not sure if

963
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:43,320
they got in this talk or I never knew

964
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:45,960
that I never knew what was said

965
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:47,820
um I asked I said I need to go to the

966
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:50,339
restroom and this this is significant to

967
00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:52,140
me because I've never felt this before

968
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,119
like I did

969
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:56,160
and uh

970
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:57,780
so I went to the restroom and then

971
00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,780
there's two stalls closed doors

972
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:02,339
showers

973
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,380
I mean really a nice restroom facility

974
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,720
on a military installation no I mean

975
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:08,400
everything there was just top-notch all

976
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,740
the time we kept it that way

977
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:13,440
and uh I went and sat in the second

978
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:14,640
stall

979
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:16,740
and I just sat I just honestly I just

980
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,300
sat on the toilet and I was in full

981
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,400
uniform I just sat till like what just

982
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:22,320
happened I talked to my wife I didn't

983
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,540
talk to anybody I I was just Within

984
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,940
Myself And as I was sitting there

985
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,280
holding my head in my hands

986
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:32,400
all of a sudden I felt as if

987
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:34,619
I don't know how to describe this but I

988
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:36,060
was leaving my body

989
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,980
I was going down through my body

990
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:40,260
internally and out through my feet I

991
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:41,820
knew I was going to go out of my body

992
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,520
through my feet and I I it was a Clear

993
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:46,859
Channel there was a clear path in my

994
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:49,380
mind of how can this even be how can you

995
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:51,300
even think such but it was the most

996
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,780
natural thing I mean even the broom got

997
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:56,460
light

998
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:01,140
a different

999
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:03,060
intensity in the room of just

1000
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,560
fluorescent lighting on the you know in

1001
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:06,960
the ceiling still there today

1002
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,820
and the and of course the walls were

1003
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,280
tiled and everything as is the floor and

1004
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,740
as I was looking at that in amazement of

1005
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,660
what I was feeling and what I was seeing

1006
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,240
as far as lighter intensity four little

1007
00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:20,280
fuzzy feet they weren't little came

1008
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:23,579
walking in front of the stall door

1009
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:25,619
and it was a German Shepherd guard dog

1010
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:29,880
or a drug dog and behind them were a set

1011
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:33,180
of Cochrane combat boots highly polished

1012
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:36,540
and uh and I and I said oh hey like that

1013
00:40:40,849 --> 00:40:37,560
you know

1014
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:40,859
and uh the law enforcement officer you

1015
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:43,079
know there's Ellie and there's SP now I

1016
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:44,700
was SP security places law enforcement

1017
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:46,440
different different things different

1018
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,680
different careers but anyway

1019
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:51,359
I said hey man I said

1020
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,640
I'm glad you came in here I said my

1021
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:56,400
ditty bags in the day room I said he

1022
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:57,660
goes don't worry Mario I've already

1023
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:59,160
checked it you said you're fine he said

1024
00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,660
how are you doing I said I'm really not

1025
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:02,579
sure I said I I thought I was sitting

1026
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,440
here going to die you know and I that's

1027
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:06,480
exactly what I said to him I said I

1028
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:10,140
thought I was going to die and I and I'm

1029
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:13,020
not now I said I'm I'm here now but for

1030
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:14,400
a moment I wasn't

1031
00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:17,160
and uh he said you need some help and I

1032
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,619
said No and when I came out of the stall

1033
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:22,079
I washed my face really good

1034
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:23,940
and uh

1035
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:25,980
I I didn't even know

1036
00:41:32,349 --> 00:41:29,160
at that time or nor could I feel

1037
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:32,359
that my face was burned half my husband

1038
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,540
and uh and and my hand I I didn't even

1039
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,760
know that then

1040
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:41,220
I was just too taken aback by everything

1041
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:43,020
else that was going on around me because

1042
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,260
the normal became the abnormal in the

1043
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,660
entire facility everybody was quiet but

1044
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:50,880
yet asking questions and really not

1045
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,619
knowing what to ask

1046
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:54,480
you know they really couldn't ask

1047
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:56,579
directed questions well

1048
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,460
they didn't know what to ask really what

1049
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:01,619
did you see what did you do you know I

1050
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,240
mean my ammunition was accounted for

1051
00:42:08,089 --> 00:42:05,400
that fast did you fire at it I said no

1052
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,099
no I mean that they they know if you do

1053
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:10,440
believe me

1054
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,859
um I remember somebody asking me that

1055
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,599
but you know in that case like I said

1056
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:16,560
you

1057
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,660
situation like that okay the fear is

1058
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,240
just overwhelming and I don't know if

1059
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,760
human beings could ever there may be

1060
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,160
some that maybe it's been since the 40s

1061
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:34,079
that have had some type of contact with

1062
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:35,460
these entities

1063
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,940
with these beings that have overcome

1064
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:40,500
that I don't know they're special people

1065
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,700
that they have

1066
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:43,680
because it took everything in me just to

1067
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:46,520
come with grips of what I saw

1068
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:49,980
and still to this day it you know when I

1069
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,480
got hypnotized when I was hypnotized

1070
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,480
just in 2017 I that's it put me in afib

1071
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:56,160
and I didn't even know it at the time I

1072
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,540
didn't know what afib was and I'd always

1073
00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:00,240
been in pretty good shape and uh it was

1074
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:02,760
pretty unsettling but going back to this

1075
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:06,480
uh in that particular day after all that

1076
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,220
and all the debriefing at the launch

1077
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,400
control facility

1078
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,660
I went with the flight Chief we were

1079
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,760
told to go back to Colonel speaker's

1080
00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:16,680
office at the satap building which was

1081
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:18,359
our Security Police Operations building

1082
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:22,619
at Ellsworth 55 miles to the east of us

1083
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:25,500
so that was a long ride uh with Master

1084
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,440
Sergeant gray and he was a real good guy

1085
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,240
and he asked me all kinds of questions

1086
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,880
and you know we cheated and chatted

1087
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:34,500
about things you know but I I couldn't

1088
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:35,579
shake

1089
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:38,280
you know what I felt and and what I'd

1090
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:40,020
been through and he pretty well knew

1091
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,680
that

1092
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,079
and uh he said well we're here to help

1093
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:44,400
you you know we're going to help you any

1094
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,780
way we can and I said well I'm worried

1095
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,280
about Michael Johnson because he hasn't

1096
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,380
uttered a word to me since one o'clock

1097
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:52,140
or since 12 30 at night when we left

1098
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,740
there on that you know on Highway 79

1099
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:58,560
and and Missile Road when we went out on

1100
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,300
the 79 when I said see there's that

1101
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,920
object sitting over there and he said

1102
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,900
whatever that was really the last word

1103
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,119
the man said to me

1104
00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:11,450
so we arrive at the satap building on

1105
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:13,859
base and it seems as if time just passed

1106
00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:15,780
in an instant all of a sudden I was

1107
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,020
getting into his vehicle an f-154 pickup

1108
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:20,640
truck is what we all had

1109
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:22,200
and then getting out in front of the

1110
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:23,640
satap building and I didn't get we

1111
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:25,020
didn't get out in the parking lot walk

1112
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:27,180
they brought me right up to the right up

1113
00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:29,700
to the main doors you know and when we

1114
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:31,619
did uh uh there was some people there

1115
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:33,060
waiting on us

1116
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,920
and um

1117
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:37,200
where Esco I was escorted into the

1118
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:39,060
Commander's office and I think the

1119
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,500
assistant base commander was there I

1120
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,000
don't know his name but uh Colonel

1121
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,220
speaker was there and there were five

1122
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,280
people there and OSI was there

1123
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:49,440
um I learned I found out that that was a

1124
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,339
uh the elite agent was Jack Reed

1125
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:56,280
thanks to uh Rick Doty he gave me this

1126
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:57,960
information yesterday it finally made

1127
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:01,079
contact with him good and uh which

1128
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:02,940
really which really helped me because

1129
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,140
you know you're trying to find Michael

1130
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:06,240
Johnson not been able to do that for

1131
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:07,859
years now

1132
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:11,099
I've been looking for him since 97.

1133
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,020
you know computers really weren't even

1134
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:16,500
really good until about about 1997 98

1135
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:17,880
something like that

1136
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:20,099
and any platform on all platforms I'd

1137
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,660
get a hold of I try to search for and

1138
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:23,520
still do to this day

1139
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:26,099
uh anyway so but uh Rick Doty was there

1140
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:38,770
I have to yeah

1141
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:41,150
get down get down

1142
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:43,319
she uh he um

1143
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,260
was there and obtained my was sent back

1144
00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:48,300
from my medical files uh after the

1145
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,460
flight surgeon's office uh finished with

1146
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,079
us or finished with me

1147
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,140
and uh he was present

1148
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,359
uh during that time with the flight

1149
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:58,800
surgeon

1150
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:00,780
and um

1151
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:03,180
he didn't know who the other security

1152
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:04,920
policeman was he knew there were two of

1153
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:07,140
us but there again he was just

1154
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,609
he was responsible for obtaining the

1155
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:15,119
medical records and then handing it back

1156
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:16,980
over to his Commander which was Jack

1157
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,740
Reed but I was so appreciative of him

1158
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:22,020
contacting me you know from a previous

1159
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,800
podcast and an invitation as always you

1160
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:27,780
know anybody that has any association or

1161
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,359
any idea that I served with or whatever

1162
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,700
I always I leave my email or whatever to

1163
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,920
contact me because I I really I just

1164
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,440
want to find out I just you know more of

1165
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:39,599
a merrier really we got to know these

1166
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,200
things can't keep yourself in the dark

1167
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:46,800
yeah it has to be it has to be uh it has

1168
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:54,190
um so anyway so

1169
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:56,760
colonist breaker's office that was about

1170
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,920
a three hour debrief there and it was a

1171
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:00,839
gentleman in a suit and a hat and I

1172
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,280
still know his date I'll know who he is

1173
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:05,280
and um uh Mr Doty didn't comment on who

1174
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:07,079
he was of course the flight Chief and

1175
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:08,760
assistant flight Chief were there

1176
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,119
and uh colonel spraker

1177
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,680
I think the assistant based commander

1178
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,079
and one of there was five people total

1179
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:18,480
so after about a three hour debrief with

1180
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,180
him then I filled out a form of the

1181
00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:23,280
incident itself which had to be also

1182
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,599
listed on the security police desk

1183
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:26,579
blotter which would have been maintained

1184
00:47:30,349 --> 00:47:28,920
at November 1. everybody's name Social

1185
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:30,359
Security numbers everything used to be

1186
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,700
placed on those blotters anything that

1187
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:34,319
happened in the missile field went on a

1188
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,670
um which I I was unable to obtain I've

1189
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,000
been told everything was put on

1190
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,400
microfiche because in 77 there were no

1191
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:46,020
computers there were literally nothing

1192
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,640
so

1193
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:50,160
everything was uh transferred to

1194
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,700
microfish at a later time and and uh

1195
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,619
I've been seeking that information the

1196
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:57,660
best I can but it's very difficult to

1197
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:59,099
obtain even with the Freedom of

1198
00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:00,560
Information Act

1199
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:04,859
so I I wrote with a number two skill

1200
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,680
craft pin and somebody commented on one

1201
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,839
of the uh on one of the other things

1202
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:11,220
with um

1203
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:13,020
how do you know what kind of pin you

1204
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,900
used you know let me tell you something

1205
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:17,940
you ever go on the service they hand you

1206
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:19,500
a number two skill craft pin let me tell

1207
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,940
you what you could do with that pen you

1208
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:22,980
can cite your weapon you can take it in

1209
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,740
16 completely apart with a number two

1210
00:48:31,069 --> 00:48:28,079
skill crap in it's a U.S government

1211
00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:31,079
black ink pen and I've still got some

1212
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:31,940
today

1213
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,680
but really that's what we use and yeah

1214
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,540
you got to press hard it's triplicates

1215
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:39,240
and I print very well and I printed a

1216
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,819
very long report everything except what

1217
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:44,160
I saw out the window is Con concerning

1218
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:46,020
the beans because under personal

1219
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,359
reliability program if I would have said

1220
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:50,579
that at 22 years old

1221
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,920
believe me I wouldn't be sitting here in

1222
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,440
front of you today probably

1223
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,780
they just that's just unheard of you

1224
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,640
know Academy relations are going on then

1225
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,400
let's see Linda she was in the field she

1226
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:03,900
was looking you know looking for cattle

1227
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:05,720
mutilations out of Denver she was a new

1228
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:09,060
newscaster my partner and I Michael uh

1229
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:11,339
Mark Wayne uh we saw a cattle mutilation

1230
00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:12,839
two of them

1231
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,560
and uh didn't didn't know what it was

1232
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:18,720
when we walked up on it but law

1233
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:21,180
enforcement was there and the and the uh

1234
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:24,599
cattle owner were there on a corner at

1235
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:27,300
Zola kilo area but anyway

1236
00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:28,020
um

1237
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:29,400
so they didn't want you talking to

1238
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,380
anybody National Enquirer was out on the

1239
00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:33,599
field at that time so everything had to

1240
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:35,579
go through the base media or control

1241
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:38,520
officer in that way so after three hours

1242
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,140
and all those reports and of course

1243
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:42,300
scolded like I've done something wrong

1244
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:45,480
literally scolded you can never repeat

1245
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:47,640
this to anybody you know you can never

1246
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,380
divulge this information never write

1247
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,839
anything about this you just forget

1248
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,240
about it it didn't happen I never went

1249
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,160
back to November control

1250
00:49:59,650 --> 00:49:57,960
and sent me to kilo which was the

1251
00:50:02,750 --> 00:49:59,660
alternate command post

1252
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:02,760
for the missile field itself while we

1253
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,260
were out there and I was with the flight

1254
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,540
Chief and assistant flight chief for the

1255
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,200
duration of my stent there at Ellsworth

1256
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:11,700
and nine months later is when I received

1257
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:14,760
a notification for a

1258
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,160
a tour of Duty at Osan Air Base Korea

1259
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:19,440
remote could not be accompanied which is

1260
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:21,060
normally a two-year thing if you were

1261
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:21,960
married

1262
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:23,579
and uh

1263
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:26,220
but that was not allowed me and I went

1264
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:28,140
right to my commander and asked him why

1265
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,300
he said you just have to go to you just

1266
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:31,920
have to go remote

1267
00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:34,920
so that took care of that I got promoted

1268
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:37,880
to a buck Sergeant I think one April

1269
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:41,040
I think I sent that to you also but uh

1270
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,780
yeah

1271
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:44,640
do you think they were trying to just

1272
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:47,220
get rid of you or they separate you

1273
00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:51,119
Michael John let me go back to him now

1274
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,440
but no no

1275
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,720
no I'm going to leave the debrief that I

1276
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:57,119
was escorted from the satab building

1277
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:58,680
from Commander's office says we're going

1278
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,180
to send you to Medical flight surgeon

1279
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:01,980
wants to take a look at you

1280
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,480
yes sir

1281
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,920
you don't have a choice in the matter

1282
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:07,440
you just you you escorted over there so

1283
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,020
I couldn't go anywhere so I was tested

1284
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:12,660
in every way possible and at the end of

1285
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,180
it all and that was witnessed by a nurse

1286
00:51:19,690 --> 00:51:17,880
another another doctor

1287
00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:19,700
uh

1288
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:21,660
I don't know how many people are in

1289
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:24,300
there but anyway

1290
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:26,760
um I had my shirt off and I was in my I

1291
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,859
was in my boxers

1292
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,280
and uh

1293
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:34,380
ears eyes nose throat tongue all that

1294
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:37,559
stuff and before it was all over it did

1295
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:39,720
not take my blood

1296
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:41,940
which I was kind of surprised but he

1297
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:44,579
kept looking at my gums he I know he put

1298
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,900
his finger you know had him gloves on he

1299
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,700
put his finger in my gum in my mouth and

1300
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,720
do that

1301
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,520
and uh

1302
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:53,040
he said I need to take us I need to take

1303
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:55,500
a skin sample and I looked at it and

1304
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,240
really strained us excuse me because I

1305
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:59,520
need a skin sample and that's he said on

1306
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,020
your face in your hand

1307
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:03,359
and I said sir and he goes well you're

1308
00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:04,859
burned

1309
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,420
and I didn't think nothing about it when

1310
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:08,640
I reached up and felt over my right eye

1311
00:52:13,849 --> 00:52:11,700
I went wow that is tender like a sunburn

1312
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:13,859
and then I looked at my hand and my hand

1313
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:16,980
was burned like us like in the sun I

1314
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,079
don't mean like black burned I mean red

1315
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,079
red TO you know to touch like a sunburn

1316
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:24,240
I mean I'm a Florida boy you know and

1317
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:27,660
and I know what a sunburn is and uh it's

1318
00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:28,859
strange because when you live in South

1319
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:31,079
Dakota you lose that pigmentation to

1320
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:33,480
protect you from the Sun so you can get

1321
00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:36,300
burned quite easily and uh

1322
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,300
so I I he took a scan sample from my top

1323
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:41,760
of my eye right here and uh put a small

1324
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,280
Band-Aid on it right there and then on

1325
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,079
the back side of my hand right here he

1326
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:48,480
took a scan sample there and there and

1327
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:50,760
put those in vials separated and put

1328
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:52,260
them in a vial and put this little

1329
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,700
rubber corks on them and he laid them

1330
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:56,040
down on a silver tray and then I was

1331
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:58,680
allowed to get dressed and went back to

1332
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:00,180
the Commander's office again and had

1333
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,040
another further little debrief

1334
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:04,859
and just it was just Colonel spraker and

1335
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,359
my flight Chief and the assistant flight

1336
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:08,400
chief

1337
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:12,180
and maybe that base uh the media uh

1338
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:15,180
control officer and you know again uh

1339
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,920
senior would you not to speak of this to

1340
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:19,020
anyone you're not to divulge Us in any

1341
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:19,740
way

1342
00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:22,380
uh I guess that was a non-disclosure

1343
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,819
thing that I signed that I would not

1344
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:25,800
disclose any of this information to

1345
00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:29,880
anyone at every any time I signed it and

1346
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:31,559
I was allowed to call my wife to come

1347
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:33,059
get me which she thought was highly

1348
00:53:36,829 --> 00:53:34,559
unusual because I'd only been in the

1349
00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:36,839
field one day I left the day before and

1350
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:38,579
came back the next day I should have

1351
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,440
been gone three days but

1352
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:42,720
anyway I couldn't tell her why she asked

1353
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,460
why I was burned I didn't tell her I

1354
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,559
didn't say anything I just

1355
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:48,720
had to let it go and I said just it's

1356
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:50,520
okay just trust me it'll be okay so I

1357
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,500
got a long I got a long break before I

1358
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:54,480
had to go back to the field again

1359
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:57,240
uh I got the rest of that few days and

1360
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:58,680
then I got three more days so it was

1361
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:01,140
like a little mini vacation and two

1362
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:03,000
weeks later

1363
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:05,460
I went I was off I'd work one tour and

1364
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:08,040
came back I'd gone to kilo now

1365
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,960
and I have new people to work with and

1366
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,460
of course everybody knows that there

1367
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,200
were 800 security policemen on that base

1368
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,319
so everybody hears it and mine wasn't

1369
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:18,240
the only incident I was you know mine

1370
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:20,099
was really significant compared to what

1371
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:22,140
happened a few but

1372
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:23,760
um there were a lot of things being seen

1373
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:25,020
at that time

1374
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,339
but

1375
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:28,800
two weeks later Michael Johnson

1376
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,420
he lived in the barracks and he found

1377
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,700
out where I lived through someone and I

1378
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:34,559
lived in Haynes Way Apartments and in

1379
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,940
Rapid City

1380
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:37,920
I went by there not long ago to see

1381
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,420
instilled the hair I can't believe it

1382
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,040
but um

1383
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:43,680
anyhow uh he knocked on my door and

1384
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:45,780
answered the door and I said Michael and

1385
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:48,540
he goes hey Mario he said

1386
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:51,000
I had to come see you and I said by all

1387
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:52,500
means I said I've been trying to find

1388
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,940
you too but I didn't even know where to

1389
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:55,140
look I didn't know what Barracks you

1390
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,280
were in because there were more than one

1391
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,960
there was more than one barracks full

1392
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,400
security policemen law enforcement

1393
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:02,400
Personnel they're single guys you know

1394
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,859
and then uh

1395
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:07,260
so when he came in and and I kind of

1396
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:09,180
looked at him and and she kind of looked

1397
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:11,579
at both of us and uh

1398
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:14,700
I just kind of said um

1399
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:17,220
whatever we say you know

1400
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:18,780
but the state is going to stay right

1401
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:20,460
here I said but you know what we need to

1402
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,260
sit down and draw some things

1403
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:24,960
so I put him at the coffee table and I

1404
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:26,280
went to the dining room table or it

1405
00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:27,180
might have been the other way I can't

1406
00:55:32,809 --> 00:55:29,160
remember and how but

1407
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,819
um gave him a notebook index paper you

1408
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,559
know eight by eleven

1409
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:37,140
and he drew and I drew

1410
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:40,260
and we drew the same type of craft

1411
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,260
he didn't he he drew the site and he

1412
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,960
drew the size of it and everything and

1413
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:47,760
he kept saying what was what is that

1414
00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:49,500
what was that thing he said I was just

1415
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:52,800
frozen and I said yeah you were

1416
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:56,579
he said he did remember do not fear and

1417
00:56:00,770 --> 00:55:58,260
that's the whole thing about this thing

1418
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:00,780
because I kept hearing in my mind not in

1419
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,319
not in verbal speak but

1420
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:06,000
through the chemicals in your body they

1421
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:08,040
can resonate sound I believe if someone

1422
00:56:11,089 --> 00:56:09,780
knows how to activate them I guess I

1423
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:11,099
don't know

1424
00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:14,460
but that's what I heard do not fear do

1425
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:16,619
not fear over and over again in a way

1426
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:20,520
that had wisps on the end of do not fear

1427
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,780
and

1428
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:24,480
I can't repeat it but I but I can hear

1429
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:25,260
it

1430
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:28,140
even today I can still hear how that

1431
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:31,500
sounded but I I can't even make a guess

1432
00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:32,579
how to

1433
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:35,819
formulate that sound within me

1434
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:38,460
or say it aloud

1435
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,220
and uh so we talked for about 45 minutes

1436
00:56:47,930 --> 00:56:44,160
and uh

1437
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:47,940
a subject came up about pyramids

1438
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,260
and I don't know if it was him that

1439
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:52,500
initiated or I initiated it because once

1440
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:53,640
this happened

1441
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:56,040
it was as if whatever there were about

1442
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,440
pyramids or and I never really had an

1443
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,240
interest in anything in anything

1444
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:02,160
archaeological like that before even

1445
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:03,780
though my father was from that area of

1446
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:04,619
the world

1447
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:07,020
and talked about things on property that

1448
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,400
they used to own and that kind of thing

1449
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:09,599
you know

1450
00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:11,460
I never really

1451
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:13,559
talk about that much never really never

1452
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,819
there was not a drawing to me about it

1453
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,440
but there is now and there has been

1454
00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:21,839
every since that that night where I had

1455
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,400
to find out everything that possibly

1456
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:26,160
imaginable about the pyramids around

1457
00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:28,800
this planet I mean why I don't know the

1458
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,800
design the shape something

1459
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:33,119
archaeological has to do with these

1460
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:35,460
entities but these people and why that

1461
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:37,260
is I don't know but it has to do

1462
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:40,020
something and with us

1463
00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:43,260
so we discussed that and um

1464
00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:45,780
he probably stayed about an hour

1465
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:49,260
and uh maybe a little longer and he left

1466
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:51,960
and I never saw him again but before he

1467
00:57:58,010 --> 00:57:55,200
left I got his I got his name

1468
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:58,020
and I got his address where he lived he

1469
00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:00,180
said Chicago Illinois with it his

1470
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:01,440
parents house

1471
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:03,780
because I mean like me he just you know

1472
00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:06,540
come into service you know at 18 years

1473
00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:08,940
old and proud of that you know his

1474
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,980
parents home was his permanent address

1475
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:13,440
you know and um

1476
00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:16,680
and it's Chicago Illinois and uh we've

1477
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:18,420
been trying to find them ever since and

1478
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:20,700
have had no luck in doing so the closest

1479
00:58:27,049 --> 00:58:24,420
I've come is an individual on a

1480
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,059
on a YouTube reply said he knew of a

1481
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:28,920
Michael he knew of Michael Johnson and

1482
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:30,780
had a real serious incident in South

1483
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,079
Dakota sounded just like him

1484
00:58:36,829 --> 00:58:35,760
and but he would never fully talk about

1485
00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:36,839
it

1486
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:38,520
and he wondered if this was the same

1487
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:41,220
Michael Johnson and I tried to find this

1488
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:43,980
guy in all these replies and I can't

1489
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,500
find it again and usually I'll take a

1490
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:48,960
Snappy you know if I if I see something

1491
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:50,579
that's really that's really important

1492
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,500
I'll take a picture of it and trying to

1493
00:58:56,329 --> 00:58:54,599
get the person's name and you know what

1494
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:56,339
was said so I can go back and look at I

1495
00:59:01,970 --> 00:58:59,160
do it all the time and uh to this day I

1496
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,980
still do that uh because it seems that

1497
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,079
new things keep presenting itself every

1498
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:06,599
single time I go over this or every you

1499
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:09,000
know the time when I went back there the

1500
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,910
furthering that investigation that night

1501
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:15,660
and that search

1502
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:18,900
when uh Discovery plus when they invited

1503
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,900
me to go back to November control and

1504
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,520
November 5 and

1505
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,160
the whole everything

1506
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:28,799
we uh discovered while we were filming

1507
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:31,020
on Ormond road which they wouldn't they

1508
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:33,480
wouldn't uh film directly in front of

1509
00:59:38,809 --> 00:59:35,339
the site that used to be the side of

1510
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:38,819
November 5 because the owner or the

1511
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:40,380
Rancher that you know all the ranchers

1512
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:43,140
that had these properties that uh the

1513
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:45,480
government leased these these sites from

1514
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,460
them for 99 years

1515
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:50,160
and they when they uh decommissioned all

1516
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,480
of them of course they removed the

1517
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:53,040
missile they remove all the concrete

1518
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:55,020
blockings and everything like that but

1519
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:56,940
the fencing stays up in the room and the

1520
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,059
and the Rock bed stays there so for them

1521
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,160
it's a real opportune time they can put

1522
01:00:06,730 --> 01:00:04,319
their feed there for their cattle and

1523
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:06,740
that kind of stuff but he put a cattle

1524
01:00:12,770 --> 01:00:11,160
processing facility on the site so they

1525
01:00:15,230 --> 01:00:12,780
didn't feel they didn't feel right

1526
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:15,240
filming and his building would have been

1527
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,859
filmed without his permission

1528
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:19,200
so it was it was kind of a it was kind

1529
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:21,240
of a letdown and prior to going out

1530
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:22,440
there that had not been that building

1531
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:24,180
had not been there very long

1532
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:26,220
but when I stepped out of that vehicle

1533
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,260
that day and I arrived there we were

1534
01:00:32,809 --> 01:00:31,200
about 40 yards away from November 5. I

1535
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:32,819
just about passed out

1536
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,440
additionally I thought I was going to

1537
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:36,480
come back I was going to go in afib I

1538
01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:38,579
mean my heart was just literally I I

1539
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:39,900
just

1540
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:48,180
and uh it does with you what it will and

1541
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,220
you just either ride it or you fall out

1542
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:52,079
one of the two I don't know how to say

1543
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:52,980
that

1544
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:55,380
but we found out during the filming as

1545
01:00:59,450 --> 01:00:57,180
Ormond Road turned into an interstate

1546
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:59,460
with all the Newell people

1547
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:01,140
you know knowing something's going on

1548
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:05,400
with a crew of 14 to 17 people filming

1549
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:08,040
and Foreman Road on this you know beside

1550
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:10,920
this old missile site you know and uh it

1551
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:13,260
was really kind of cool but uh

1552
01:01:17,630 --> 01:01:15,420
Two Gentlemen kind of hung back as we

1553
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,640
kind of wound up filming there

1554
01:01:21,289 --> 01:01:19,680
and uh

1555
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:21,299
again

1556
01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:23,700
being there is as if I could smell I

1557
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:25,380
could smell the air

1558
01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:28,920
and uh as it was that night almost

1559
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:31,020
electrified like ionized or something

1560
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:32,940
the only way I know to describe it and I

1561
01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:35,640
kept and Rich amberlin kept saying to me

1562
01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:38,339
he was the host he said why do you keep

1563
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,900
looking up I said man I feel like you're

1564
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:41,520
just going to pop out of the sky there

1565
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:42,960
or something I don't know what I don't

1566
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:44,099
know

1567
01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:47,160
question that's just the way I felt in

1568
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:49,980
that proximity again at places that mean

1569
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:52,440
something to me what I I don't know if

1570
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:56,940
it's fear or it's um

1571
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,440
curiosity or what it is but it that that

1572
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:03,119
feeling exists there for me I wish I

1573
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:04,559
could find out how it feels to Michael

1574
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:05,940
Johnson

1575
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,880
uh but anyway two guys held back and

1576
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:10,799
they were both on four-wheelers now one

1577
01:02:13,490 --> 01:02:12,299
was on open four-wheeler another was an

1578
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:13,500
enclosed cab

1579
01:02:18,410 --> 01:02:16,140
a nice Rhino or something like that

1580
01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:18,420
and uh

1581
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:20,520
they came up one of them came up at a

1582
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,900
time and said uh

1583
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:24,000
are you Mario woods and I said yeah yes

1584
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,579
sir I am he goes uh

1585
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:28,559
you know you don't know me he said but I

1586
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:31,200
was a deputy sheriff in Sturgis

1587
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:34,020
Back in 77 and I said

1588
01:02:39,289 --> 01:02:35,160
okay

1589
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:39,299
he goes we were contacted by your wing

1590
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,920
security control or Wing security

1591
01:02:45,049 --> 01:02:42,240
officer

1592
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:45,059
our office was was asked to come and

1593
01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:48,119
search for you guys and I said what I

1594
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,040
mean this was totally I was never told

1595
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,549
and so I had all kind of questions for

1596
01:02:58,670 --> 01:02:56,880
him I said you got to be kidding he said

1597
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,680
no there were there were two patrols

1598
01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:00,960
looking for you guys up here

1599
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:03,180
he said y'all gone quite a long time

1600
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:05,940
and I I mean this is just all taken me

1601
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,460
and I'm like and rich is standing next

1602
01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:09,839
to me with his eyes about that big

1603
01:03:14,809 --> 01:03:12,540
around his mind were and the other fella

1604
01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:14,819
in the Rhino he wrote up

1605
01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:17,339
and when he he stood there listening

1606
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,500
what was being said and he goes well my

1607
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:20,640
father

1608
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:25,380
patrolman here

1609
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:27,900
he said we own about 80 000 Acres right

1610
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:29,819
there by bear view or no by Castle Rock

1611
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:31,319
which is just a little bit north there

1612
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:33,119
and he pointed to his area of land and I

1613
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:34,920
know it well

1614
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:36,599
and he goes uh

1615
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:38,940
he goes I was awake the night my father

1616
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:41,339
at two o'clock in the morning when your

1617
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:43,380
wing security control or whoever they

1618
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,420
were the security Personnel that you're

1619
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:48,720
a base requested him to come looking for

1620
01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:49,799
you guys

1621
01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:53,040
so here now it opens up that there's two

1622
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:55,859
State guys and a state patrolman looking

1623
01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:58,319
for us but his answer the state

1624
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:01,020
patrolman's answer and this this guy

1625
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:02,280
hears it

1626
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:04,200
was well why do you want me to go look

1627
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,660
for him he's there way more better

1628
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:08,640
equipped than I am

1629
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:11,579
meaning you know what weapons do I carry

1630
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:13,440
compared to what they carry

1631
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:16,559
like that means something but anyway his

1632
01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:18,119
father left

1633
01:04:22,750 --> 01:04:20,099
a little after two in the morning

1634
01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:22,760
that his father reported that he saw

1635
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:27,059
some object in the atmosphere in the sky

1636
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,700
a large bright light

1637
01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:31,680
and that's what he told his son when he

1638
01:04:35,569 --> 01:04:33,299
came back home the next morning and they

1639
01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:35,579
didn't find us they saw tracks on the

1640
01:04:40,609 --> 01:04:38,339
site both patrols did and I was never

1641
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:40,619
told any of that so it just

1642
01:04:43,970 --> 01:04:42,420
it just blew everything wide open when

1643
01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:43,980
we got back to the hotel that night I

1644
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:46,200
don't even know how to matter of fact it

1645
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:48,540
it just if they had already left the

1646
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:50,520
camera guys go

1647
01:04:55,609 --> 01:04:53,040
and uh that was before we went to find

1648
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,619
out they told us or told me where New

1649
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:57,839
Lake Reservoir was and I'd never been

1650
01:05:02,270 --> 01:04:58,920
there

1651
01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:02,280
so they these guys were like Angels you

1652
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:04,980
know and uh I hope we get to go back

1653
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:07,319
again and sit down at a round table

1654
01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:09,900
with these guys and refilm this thing

1655
01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:12,059
again because I would really love those

1656
01:05:16,609 --> 01:05:13,260
answers

1657
01:05:22,490 --> 01:05:19,309
the fact that three security patrols of

1658
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:22,500
security policemen were looking for us

1659
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:27,000
and then three or two Sheriff Patrols

1660
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:30,720
and a State Trooper is just just blew me

1661
01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:32,460
away uh

1662
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:34,380
I don't even know what to say about that

1663
01:05:41,650 --> 01:05:36,780
how I I was just amazed by it because it

1664
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:45,470
do you think this craft picked up your

1665
01:05:51,289 --> 01:05:47,640
car physically and put it in a different

1666
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,299
spot I do yeah

1667
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,520
I don't see any other way neither one of

1668
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:55,440
us operated a vehicle prior to sitting

1669
01:05:59,809 --> 01:05:57,420
right there in front of that cattle gate

1670
01:06:01,549 --> 01:05:59,819
which is a cattle crossing leading to

1671
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:01,559
the site about 20 yards away was the

1672
01:06:06,049 --> 01:06:03,420
site you know and mind you this object

1673
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:06,059
that the crap was so large that its

1674
01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:07,440
diameter

1675
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,720
yeah

1676
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:12,240
when I when I looked up at it at at

1677
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:15,599
sitting on the Windsor of the windowsill

1678
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:17,400
of the vehicle

1679
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:20,280
the side of it was just right there that

1680
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:22,020
the diameter I couldn't see the top of

1681
01:06:26,329 --> 01:06:23,819
it the only way I saw the full size of

1682
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,339
it was when we dropped off

1683
01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:28,799
of Ormond Road from the pavement onto

1684
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:31,559
the dirt onto the clay again and you can

1685
01:06:36,349 --> 01:06:33,660
see the full size of it but as we got up

1686
01:06:38,529 --> 01:06:36,359
closer of course we were minute compared

1687
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:38,539
to it

1688
01:06:45,049 --> 01:06:42,180
but there's no other way that we drove

1689
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:45,059
there's no way to right Johnson you know

1690
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:46,319
he didn't he couldn't even talk let

1691
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:48,180
alone try to drop a vehicle and I was in

1692
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:50,819
the passenger seat yeah

1693
01:06:56,210 --> 01:06:54,480
after all the years after this

1694
01:06:59,210 --> 01:06:56,220
experience and having so much time to

1695
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:59,220
ponder it and think about it

1696
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:00,660
uh

1697
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:03,420
what's your takeaway as far as purpose

1698
01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:05,880
do you think you you were supposed to be

1699
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:07,799
there or you were in kind of wrong place

1700
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:12,420
wrong time or did this have was it more

1701
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:13,920
about you

1702
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,400
than you'd like to think I guess

1703
01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:19,440
I don't know I think Robert Hastings

1704
01:07:24,289 --> 01:07:21,240
once said it the best of anybody I've

1705
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:26,630
he

1706
01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:39,240
and I and I

1707
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,460
I I think that I think when I flash

1708
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:43,520
those facility likes Adam

1709
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:45,720
I believe they said well how does

1710
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,339
somebody how does somebody seeing us

1711
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:49,920
from afar like this and the strange part

1712
01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:58,190
I honestly believe that when I saw that

1713
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:01,500
that vehicle that object that craft at 9

1714
01:08:06,410 --> 01:08:04,559
30 at night to my East they were over

1715
01:08:09,230 --> 01:08:06,420
that body of water

1716
01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:09,240
that's where I believe it was

1717
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:12,299
and I think it turned into

1718
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,839
when I plotted the from November 1 to

1719
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,719
November 5 to Newell to Newell Lake

1720
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,880
Reservoir Dam and back November 1 it's a

1721
01:08:26,530 --> 01:08:22,799
Pythagorean triangle whether that's

1722
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:26,540
significant or I I don't know but but

1723
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:29,699
that's exactly what it was and the total

1724
01:08:35,390 --> 01:08:32,520
distance was 20.9 Miles

1725
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:35,400
all configured you had brought some

1726
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,289
that's it

1727
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:50,630
it's so close to Newell you know it's

1728
01:08:54,110 --> 01:08:51,719
it's

1729
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:54,120
really quite amazing that

1730
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:56,279
more people didn't see it at a time in

1731
01:09:00,189 --> 01:08:57,660
the morning but you know six o'clock

1732
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:00,199
literally the sidewalks roll up

1733
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,480
it's a great town you know I mean

1734
01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:06,239
there's super super great people that

1735
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:08,339
live there

1736
01:09:14,269 --> 01:09:10,380
that is pretty huge

1737
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,279
now yeah just for clarification

1738
01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:16,980
um you've said that it kind of that it

1739
01:09:23,209 --> 01:09:18,900
really looked like the sun is that right

1740
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:23,219
or that or is that it was that plasma so

1741
01:09:33,970 --> 01:09:26,940
it had the the outside of it was was

1742
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,829
you know I drew a circle here and popped

1743
01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:38,819
in it and put in color in the middle of

1744
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:42,120
it but really it was as if it would be

1745
01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:45,839
like a like a plasma ball for instance

1746
01:09:52,130 --> 01:09:48,420
like I've seen on a Tesla coil or

1747
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:52,140
something it was as if it was emanating

1748
01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:55,080
fire from it or electrical charge from

1749
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:58,199
it outward yeah but yet the color in it

1750
01:10:02,890 --> 01:10:01,860
and as a whole was just rolling

1751
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:02,900
yeah

1752
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,640
the way you describe it really reminds

1753
01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:08,400
me of of what I saw except it was a lot

1754
01:10:12,610 --> 01:10:10,620
smaller I believe which is very

1755
01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:12,620
interesting

1756
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,940
three little things that are standing up

1757
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,560
right there on the on the that's the

1758
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:18,480
fence line of the of the site itself

1759
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:20,520
that's the antenna array there were

1760
01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:23,219
three of them and they stood about I

1761
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:26,280
don't know maybe 10 feet 12 feet high

1762
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:28,860
and the fencing itself was 10 feet but

1763
01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:31,080
this thing was within 10 feet of the

1764
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:33,179
ground I mean it was just and it was

1765
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:34,560
sitting right on top of the blast door

1766
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,420
the blast doors directly underneath it

1767
01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:38,880
and that's where the missile's sitting

1768
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,199
yeah

1769
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:43,440
and along those lines I'd have to figure

1770
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:46,020
that you know I mean then the sensor

1771
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:48,420
whatever sensing whatever detection

1772
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,420
radar Etc is happening back then is very

1773
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:53,400
different from what we're going to have

1774
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,380
these days in terms of capabilities and

1775
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:57,360
stuff like that but I'd have to figure

1776
01:11:02,330 --> 01:10:59,880
that there was some kind of a record of

1777
01:11:04,189 --> 01:11:02,340
this absolutely I mean not not that not

1778
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:04,199
that you'd be privy to it I mean you

1779
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:06,780
can't even see your own records but I

1780
01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:08,280
mean given your knowledge of that

1781
01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:10,739
facility do you think that there is a

1782
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,080
pretty good physical I mean some kind of

1783
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,840
record that that would have happened yes

1784
01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:18,000
yeah it's a launch Control Officers

1785
01:11:23,149 --> 01:11:20,460
maintain all of that I mean that goes in

1786
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:23,159
the log and that's filed away and that's

1787
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:25,260
kept forever you know I don't even

1788
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:27,000
include you know everybody a lot of

1789
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:28,620
people talk about

1790
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:31,679
when missiles go offline they have no

1791
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,020
ability to launch them right for a

1792
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,420
period of time but one thing that I've

1793
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,120
always used to really get me and I

1794
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:40,800
didn't even really know the cause of it

1795
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:46,189
you'd get an emergency call from

1796
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:49,500
downstairs to go to say

1797
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,900
Oscar 5. it could have been or it could

1798
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,520
have been it could have been no any any

1799
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:55,440
any site

1800
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:57,300
and what would happen is these the

1801
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:58,800
missiles would sometimes cycle

1802
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:02,159
themselves literally to Launch so the

1803
01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:04,620
the procedure was take your

1804
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:06,540
Boogie out there on your vehicle you and

1805
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:07,739
your partner

1806
01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:10,800
open the gate drive up onto the blast

1807
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,699
door

1808
01:12:17,149 --> 01:12:13,920
put the vehicle in neutral

1809
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:17,159
get off of it and get one mile away set

1810
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:19,020
up an entry control point

1811
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:21,000
like you could do that

1812
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,320
and wait

1813
01:12:26,930 --> 01:12:25,199
in hopes that if it launched itself

1814
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,940
they had no control for a period of time

1815
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,040
then it was cycling itself to launch and

1816
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:32,159
then it stopped if it did when the blast

1817
01:12:35,570 --> 01:12:33,420
door blew out from underneath the

1818
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:35,580
vehicle it would fall down into The Silo

1819
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:37,620
even though the rocket would immediately

1820
01:12:42,110 --> 01:12:38,640
launch

1821
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,120
it would debtor the gyro I guess or

1822
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,159
maybe destroy its guidance system or

1823
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,080
damage it so it would just go off and

1824
01:12:51,229 --> 01:12:48,719
crash aimlessly it could not be nuclear

1825
01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:51,239
it could not go nuclear but it would be

1826
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:53,580
a conventional just an explosion of fuel

1827
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,980
and what have you you know but that

1828
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:57,600
happened many many times that just

1829
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:58,980
didn't happen one time and yeah there's

1830
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:00,840
a record of every single thing that

1831
01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:03,480
transpired there any communication loss

1832
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:06,840
or any nuclear weapon whether it be in

1833
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:08,820
the ground or

1834
01:13:12,770 --> 01:13:11,760
State you know Railway or you know

1835
01:13:15,729 --> 01:13:12,780
anything

1836
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:15,739
is documented

1837
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:19,020
those records are there somewhere

1838
01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:20,840
yeah

1839
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:23,580
what do you think these uh beings are

1840
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:24,780
these Craft

1841
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:25,980
um

1842
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,480
why do you think they care so much about

1843
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,040
the why are they around the nuclear

1844
01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:30,960
sites what's your take on that

1845
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:32,760
well you know working for Department of

1846
01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:34,020
energy and seeing some of the things

1847
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:36,420
that I've seen there which are not

1848
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,340
classified any longer

1849
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,800
I don't talk about it much but I've seen

1850
01:13:45,229 --> 01:13:42,480
some really cool things

1851
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:46,790
you know

1852
01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:49,440
I don't believe we've ever found out the

1853
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:51,780
uh here we're just into electric cars

1854
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:53,400
now we're learning how to store energy

1855
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:56,580
and lithium batteries right I race RC

1856
01:14:02,209 --> 01:13:59,820
cars I mean really race RC cars uh

1857
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,219
that's my big hobby that that is awesome

1858
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:04,560
I technically shoot but I mean I race

1859
01:14:08,990 --> 01:14:07,020
all all over the place and I've been

1860
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,000
doing it since 85. it's just something I

1861
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:11,520
love to do I don't believe that what

1862
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:13,560
we've learned in a ways in which we

1863
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:15,239
split the atom

1864
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:17,100
and how we use it in destructive

1865
01:14:21,169 --> 01:14:18,540
purposes

1866
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:21,179
or what we use it for to create steamed

1867
01:14:24,649 --> 01:14:22,980
power or electricity electrical

1868
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,659
generators or what have you I don't

1869
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:26,880
believe that's all there is to it I

1870
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:28,980
think there's more than what we know

1871
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:31,500
and I think they're at a point where

1872
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:35,219
they're seeing if we have found some of

1873
01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:37,800
those points yet and I don't think we

1874
01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:39,960
have it's like electricity you know

1875
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:41,820
Nikola Tesla probably knew more about

1876
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,400
electricity than anybody walking today

1877
01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:46,080
but

1878
01:14:50,090 --> 01:14:47,699
it's not everything that's known about

1879
01:14:51,410 --> 01:14:50,100
it there's new things found out about it

1880
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,420
yeah we have alternating current well

1881
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:52,800
there's something beyond that you know

1882
01:14:56,990 --> 01:14:54,360
electromagnetic current of this planet

1883
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:57,000
for instance it's here it's right under

1884
01:15:01,130 --> 01:14:59,100
our feet you know but yet we're paying

1885
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:01,140
for it

1886
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,239
and I think there's many things that um

1887
01:15:09,649 --> 01:15:05,460
you know that they're seeing where we

1888
01:15:14,689 --> 01:15:12,169
maybe maybe that's how they how they

1889
01:15:16,610 --> 01:15:14,699
gauge when we're ready to or they're

1890
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:16,620
ready to do Ultram cells to us I don't

1891
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:17,520
know

1892
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:20,880
coming getting close

1893
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:23,040
yeah it's fascinating you know just last

1894
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:26,640
week we had Tom Rogan on a reporter a

1895
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:29,340
columnist for the Washington examiner

1896
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:30,840
and he brought up

1897
01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:32,280
um in an article on the Washington

1898
01:15:37,610 --> 01:15:34,920
examiner recently that there were

1899
01:15:41,950 --> 01:15:37,620
um some UAP sightings near National Labs

1900
01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:41,960
including uh near Larry Livermore

1901
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:46,020
Lauren Livermore in the time before

1902
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:49,260
um they uh in the time while the nuclear

1903
01:15:53,930 --> 01:15:51,540
fusion experimentation was going on

1904
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:53,940
right and that there are silver spheres

1905
01:15:59,689 --> 01:15:56,400
and things like this seen around 2018.

1906
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,699
and um you know I

1907
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,440
I have a few questions about that

1908
01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:03,600
because you know you went on to work at

1909
01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:05,820
some of these National Labs and you know

1910
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:08,280
that in itself is fascinating but you

1911
01:16:13,370 --> 01:16:11,040
know you just told us earlier today or

1912
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:13,380
earlier in this podcast that that you

1913
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:15,239
finally got in touch with Richard Doty

1914
01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:17,940
now of course Richard Doty is is kind of

1915
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:19,620
an Infamous figure for a whole lot of

1916
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,080
reasons uh within this field

1917
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:23,760
um you know he's shown up in all sorts

1918
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:26,460
of strange situations and he's worked

1919
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:29,760
with other other well-regarded and

1920
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,860
Infamous and also Infamous people in the

1921
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:34,560
field uh you know there's project beta

1922
01:16:42,590 --> 01:16:37,080
is pretty much written about him there's

1923
01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:42,600
um and um and it sounded like that you

1924
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,520
had a really hard time getting in touch

1925
01:16:48,530 --> 01:16:46,080
with them for whatever reason whether

1926
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:48,540
that was maybe reluctance on his part or

1927
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,960
something now what so how how was it

1928
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:53,760
that you guys got in touch with each

1929
01:16:58,430 --> 01:16:56,219
other and did you learn anything from

1930
01:17:00,530 --> 01:16:58,440
that from talking to him

1931
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:00,540
um that has helped fill uh the the

1932
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,159
picture for you

1933
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,120
uh well I learned the uh original

1934
01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:08,159
investigating OSI officer's name Jack

1935
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,620
Reed he was a captain he has since

1936
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:11,760
passed away

1937
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:13,500
and I also learned that the medical

1938
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:17,520
records existed or did exist at the time

1939
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:19,980
so I know for a fact he picked them up

1940
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:22,920
and he delivered them to the OSI office

1941
01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:25,500
now who who carried it on from there he

1942
01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:27,719
did not say but

1943
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:31,260
for me it was a it's a it's a validation

1944
01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:33,960
because he was there in my debrief and I

1945
01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:35,880
looked him squaring the face that that

1946
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,800
morning or that when I got there almost

1947
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:40,560
afternoon but that morning that day

1948
01:17:46,189 --> 01:17:42,540
and I thought who was this guy because

1949
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:46,199
he you know I'm 22. the 23 in September

1950
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:47,280
but

1951
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,380
who was it he's he's super young he just

1952
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:54,239
he just came in too so he's a trainee

1953
01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:55,380
and that's what he was doing he was

1954
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:57,780
studying Communications Strategic Air

1955
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,580
Command Communications

1956
01:18:04,729 --> 01:18:02,400
and uh so he was privy to what was going

1957
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,739
on and a part of the investigation as

1958
01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:05,760
far as

1959
01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:08,100
uh being asked to pick up our medical

1960
01:18:12,649 --> 01:18:10,860
records to listen to the debrief and to

1961
01:18:14,750 --> 01:18:12,659
listen to the you know

1962
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:14,760
the different items of it maybe they

1963
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,500
could use for future use I'm really not

1964
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,920
sure but yeah it took me uh I've been

1965
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,080
I've been trying to you know contact him

1966
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,840
for since about 2015 or so

1967
01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:26,640
when I first started hearing about him

1968
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:28,679
and I saw him and I went oh I know that

1969
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:31,739
guy that had to be bizarre like you're

1970
01:18:34,850 --> 01:18:33,300
sitting here stewing on this incident

1971
01:18:36,350 --> 01:18:34,860
for many many years all of a sudden

1972
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,360
you're like

1973
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:38,640
yeah I mean really I just saw him and I

1974
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:41,040
went well I know this guy

1975
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:43,260
um and then you can't even trust what he

1976
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:45,120
tells you so you finally talk to him and

1977
01:18:48,250 --> 01:18:46,800
you're like

1978
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,260
hahaha

1979
01:18:52,669 --> 01:18:51,120
and I thanked him profusely man I said

1980
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:52,679
you know I really appreciate you

1981
01:18:56,050 --> 01:18:54,179
stepping out there and talking to me

1982
01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:56,060
yeah

1983
01:19:02,270 --> 01:18:59,820
and and Ryan got word to him you know

1984
01:19:04,370 --> 01:19:02,280
and and uh and I sent him my phone

1985
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:04,380
number my email everything

1986
01:19:08,510 --> 01:19:06,840
and uh he elected to email me so I was

1987
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:08,520
very thankful for that and I've got it

1988
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:10,260
right here and you know what's funny is

1989
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:12,900
I can't print the damn thing why is that

1990
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:16,159
why can't I print print this email

1991
01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:19,320
I've even mailed it to myself and tried

1992
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:21,260
it won't print

1993
01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:25,679
that is so bizarre I I've there are a

1994
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,540
few there are a few I've received a few

1995
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,280
emails from people that I won't name

1996
01:19:33,709 --> 01:19:32,159
here that that are able because of where

1997
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:33,719
they've worked and things like that that

1998
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:35,820
they're able to send a form of encrypted

1999
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:38,100
email that can't be forwarded or printed

2000
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,980
it's a really bizarre uh and it's kind

2001
01:19:45,290 --> 01:19:42,360
of creepy at first when I first

2002
01:19:47,090 --> 01:19:45,300
experienced it you know I was uh I I was

2003
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,100
talking to Robert Hastings not long ago

2004
01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:50,460
and he's and uh we talk as often as we

2005
01:19:54,649 --> 01:19:53,159
can he's such a super guy and

2006
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:54,659
um

2007
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:57,960
I've been saving emails for what seven

2008
01:20:02,450 --> 01:20:00,480
eight years I mean really I phylum and

2009
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:02,460
everything and keep them in the majority

2010
01:20:06,290 --> 01:20:03,960
of them's on my phone and I just got a

2011
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:06,300
new laptop and uh because I had to kind

2012
01:20:11,090 --> 01:20:07,860
of catch up a little bit you know I mean

2013
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:11,100
I am 67 so got to give a guy a break you

2014
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:12,780
know you look great

2015
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:16,620
so um thank you but uh

2016
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:18,900
I woke up one morning and I needed to

2017
01:20:22,729 --> 01:20:20,580
find something that Robert had sent me

2018
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:22,739
and everything is important nothing

2019
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,400
nothing is just set aside I mean when we

2020
01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:28,320
communicate you guys are important you

2021
01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:30,600
know it all means something and this

2022
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:32,420
great

2023
01:20:37,729 --> 01:20:35,699
coagulation of information has to lead

2024
01:20:39,530 --> 01:20:37,739
us all somewhere and that's the way I

2025
01:20:41,810 --> 01:20:39,540
look at it I'd like to just blow it up

2026
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:41,820
on the wall you know and you know what

2027
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:43,860
Sean say what's Jay say let's you know

2028
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,300
you know that's just the way I am and uh

2029
01:20:52,930 --> 01:20:51,120
so I pull up my email every email I got

2030
01:20:56,689 --> 01:20:52,940
in the cloud and everything is gone

2031
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,699
white man I mean I had well I had

2032
01:21:01,729 --> 01:20:59,040
something from Best Buy and uh

2033
01:21:05,390 --> 01:21:01,739
maybe Home Depot and that's like all I

2034
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,400
had I go where are my emails you know

2035
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:07,199
when I turn my phone off that night it's

2036
01:21:11,149 --> 01:21:09,840
an iPhone I turned it off and you know

2037
01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:11,159
go to sleep wake up the next morning

2038
01:21:16,490 --> 01:21:13,620
flip my phone on and everything's wiped

2039
01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:16,500
out I mean it's nowhere to be found and

2040
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,540
luckily I had copied a few things that I

2041
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:20,400
had that I had a file on a file cabinet

2042
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:22,980
that I still have today but I couldn't

2043
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:25,080
believe it I mean really I honestly and

2044
01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:26,640
it was a lot of photos in there that I

2045
01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:29,219
needed that were attached to files that

2046
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:32,100
I didn't have on a on a in my camera

2047
01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:36,420
photos oh man and just wiped out and uh

2048
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,820
I could not find I even went to Verizon

2049
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:40,560
about it well we don't know anything

2050
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,440
about that you know that and I said well

2051
01:21:48,830 --> 01:21:45,840
what about the cloud man so we'll yeah

2052
01:21:51,890 --> 01:21:48,840
what's this for if it doesn't work yeah

2053
01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:51,900
you know let me ask you um I think it

2054
01:21:57,470 --> 01:21:52,860
was

2055
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:57,480
I think but you mentioned how you were

2056
01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:59,100
gonna be

2057
01:22:02,689 --> 01:22:01,320
um talking to Arrow about your

2058
01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:02,699
experience

2059
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,460
um I think it was along with like eight

2060
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:06,960
others so I'm guessing maybe Robert

2061
01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:10,320
Salas I think said he was too

2062
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:12,600
um if you heard anything more about that

2063
01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:14,340
as far as when you're going to be able

2064
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:16,380
to talk to them or other people that are

2065
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,840
doing that as well or how did they did

2066
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:21,360
they contact you how did that work well

2067
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:24,780
I I honestly can't say and I would if I

2068
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:27,540
could if you respect that sure not a

2069
01:22:32,689 --> 01:22:30,120
problem a date or anything like that

2070
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:32,699
and I just have to let that ride until

2071
01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:34,620
it actually happens it may not happen

2072
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:38,820
but I was told it would okay

2073
01:22:41,810 --> 01:22:40,440
well I wish you the best of luck I

2074
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:41,820
really hope you do get to do that

2075
01:22:43,550 --> 01:22:42,840
because

2076
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:43,560
um

2077
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:47,640
it really it's it's clear that's

2078
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,100
stuff goes on over these nuclear sites I

2079
01:22:55,010 --> 01:22:52,080
mean for me I look in the Old Blue Book

2080
01:22:57,290 --> 01:22:55,020
files right before I even got into

2081
01:22:59,330 --> 01:22:57,300
um you know paying attention to all this

2082
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,340
in your own story right they're they're

2083
01:23:03,010 --> 01:23:01,440
all through their you know Minot Air

2084
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,020
Force Base uh

2085
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:05,520
Warren Air Force Base yeah all those

2086
01:23:09,649 --> 01:23:06,480
places

2087
01:23:11,090 --> 01:23:09,659
yeah I've had things in the 60s so and

2088
01:23:12,649 --> 01:23:11,100
then you take it to you and that's in

2089
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,659
the 70s and and we know of other

2090
01:23:17,090 --> 01:23:14,400
occurrences in the decades that follow

2091
01:23:19,550 --> 01:23:17,100
so at this point it's it's just like

2092
01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:19,560
what you know it's only a matter of time

2093
01:23:23,689 --> 01:23:21,420
until everybody really knows that's

2094
01:23:24,830 --> 01:23:23,699
paying attention that this stuff is

2095
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,840
happening

2096
01:23:29,330 --> 01:23:26,400
um and they really do need to take it

2097
01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:29,340
seriously and and you're you know from

2098
01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:31,020
um the the time I've spent listening to

2099
01:23:36,169 --> 01:23:34,020
you you're good honest incredible person

2100
01:23:38,450 --> 01:23:36,179
and and they'd really be hurting

2101
01:23:40,910 --> 01:23:38,460
themselves in their effort if they did

2102
01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:40,920
not take the time to talk to you so so I

2103
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:43,260
hope that really works out sure I really

2104
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:45,239
do enjoy it I would like to say one

2105
01:23:51,729 --> 01:23:48,060
thing you know there it seems as if the

2106
01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:51,739
Old Guard and I'm saying the the the

2107
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:55,620
75 85 90 year old people that are in

2108
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:57,480
charge of government that has a say-so

2109
01:24:02,030 --> 01:24:00,060
on these super secret things or whatever

2110
01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:02,040
they're doing they'll go okay so what if

2111
01:24:06,770 --> 01:24:05,219
we have exotic materials talk about that

2112
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:06,780
for a second what if we really honestly

2113
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:09,000
do have exotic materials from another

2114
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,500
world

2115
01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:12,719
do you think we've been drip fed these

2116
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:15,239
items uh some of these items are the

2117
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:17,640
spin-offs of some of these items into

2118
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:21,420
today's technology like the the phone

2119
01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:23,100
that you use the computer that you use

2120
01:24:27,530 --> 01:24:25,739
the LED lights that you use I mean so

2121
01:24:30,410 --> 01:24:27,540
many different things could could attest

2122
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,420
to that and there's so many people that

2123
01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:32,880
have a little bit of the story but not

2124
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:35,640
all of it but there's a few that have

2125
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:39,000
the entire story and they have all of it

2126
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,100
and they're the ones that are holding

2127
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:44,159
all this back you know I I really don't

2128
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:46,260
think they will ever disclose

2129
01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:48,000
the our government

2130
01:24:51,470 --> 01:24:50,280
or you could say the world governments

2131
01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:51,480
together I don't think they will ever

2132
01:24:56,030 --> 01:24:53,340
fully describe disclose to the people

2133
01:24:57,410 --> 01:24:56,040
that okay we acknowledge he's there here

2134
01:24:59,630 --> 01:24:57,420
because they're afraid of losing control

2135
01:25:01,850 --> 01:24:59,640
of what I don't know

2136
01:25:04,010 --> 01:25:01,860
I guess of us that's what they're afraid

2137
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:04,020
of or to admit something that they can't

2138
01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:07,080
control and they can't control it they

2139
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:09,659
can't control any of these things

2140
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,340
so yeah

2141
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:13,440
perhaps when that Old Guard is finally

2142
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:16,800
gone all these veils will be lifted and

2143
01:25:20,930 --> 01:25:18,300
we will know

2144
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:20,940
uh and and it's a it's a shame that

2145
01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:23,400
everything has to be weaponized that

2146
01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:25,739
every Spirit has to have a weapon side

2147
01:25:30,189 --> 01:25:28,739
to it you know that or we probably would

2148
01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:30,199
know

2149
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:33,060
if it wasn't relapse it's it's just

2150
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:35,040
amazing and uh

2151
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,860
it it bothers me a great deal because so

2152
01:25:40,669 --> 01:25:39,840
many people could be doing so much

2153
01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:40,679
better

2154
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:42,840
and could feel all together different

2155
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:46,320
about everything about them if they knew

2156
01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:48,420
that these things existed and it and it

2157
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:49,620
wasn't all bad

2158
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,440
you know I'd just say that is that your

2159
01:25:58,669 --> 01:25:54,480
take you don't think it's all bad

2160
01:26:00,649 --> 01:25:58,679
I don't think it is if it was bad

2161
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,659
we wouldn't be speaking together you

2162
01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:02,639
know I mean really if they wanted to do

2163
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:04,860
whatever they believe me what they those

2164
01:26:09,950 --> 01:26:07,679
what those beings could do and are there

2165
01:26:12,169 --> 01:26:09,960
more than one species that come here or

2166
01:26:14,689 --> 01:26:12,179
who knows maybe look at the different

2167
01:26:17,810 --> 01:26:14,699
Vehicles the different problems sure

2168
01:26:19,850 --> 01:26:17,820
yeah I mean exactly does that mean that

2169
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,860
there's different ones

2170
01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:22,260
or what like what did I see I saw three

2171
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:24,840
little guys with one tall guy little

2172
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:26,520
guys I don't know

2173
01:26:31,550 --> 01:26:28,860
yeah you know so hard to tell one could

2174
01:26:34,270 --> 01:26:31,560
be driving a a Tesla and the others

2175
01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:34,280
driving a Ford Ranger yeah

2176
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:36,600
emergency man you know he told me

2177
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:38,580
growing up you know there were Lights

2178
01:26:44,270 --> 01:26:40,380
Under the Sea they would see lights

2179
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:44,280
under the sea come up out of this wow

2180
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,239
so how many years ago were were Usos you

2181
01:26:53,930 --> 01:26:51,840
know well objects like that and I I

2182
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,940
spoke to a Helmsman on a submarine One

2183
01:26:57,770 --> 01:26:56,159
Night in Jacksonville Florida and he

2184
01:26:59,450 --> 01:26:57,780
told me he said man he goes we've seen

2185
01:27:03,590 --> 01:26:59,460
things then we Chase things at over 100

2186
01:27:05,450 --> 01:27:03,600
knots running past this in a in a in a

2187
01:27:08,090 --> 01:27:05,460
sub and see what's up

2188
01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:08,100
what the heck yeah that's just we were

2189
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,780
having a beer I said are you kidding me

2190
01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:12,000
he said no man this thing blew by us

2191
01:27:15,250 --> 01:27:13,739
like we were a bad habit

2192
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:15,260
wow

2193
01:27:20,209 --> 01:27:18,239
but really you know where else could you

2194
01:27:22,490 --> 01:27:20,219
honestly hide on this planet and not be

2195
01:27:24,110 --> 01:27:22,500
noticed I mean you've got the technology

2196
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:24,120
to travel space you think a little bit

2197
01:27:27,709 --> 01:27:25,380
of water is going to stop you at a few

2198
01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:27,719
thousand feet

2199
01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:30,360
yeah yeah I think that there's I think

2200
01:27:33,169 --> 01:27:31,560
there's definitely something to it

2201
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,179
people keep talking about all these hot

2202
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:36,000
spots Catalina you know off the coast of

2203
01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:38,699
Virginia Beach off the coast of Miami

2204
01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:41,639
um like off the coast of Australia there

2205
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:43,020
are all these sites now that people are

2206
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:44,520
starting to pinpoint it's really

2207
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:47,820
fascinating you know Archuleta Mesa in

2208
01:27:54,169 --> 01:27:51,840
New Mexico in Los Alamos that's a real

2209
01:27:56,030 --> 01:27:54,179
famous place for sightings and a lot of

2210
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:56,040
the security inspectors there we went

2211
01:28:00,830 --> 01:27:57,600
out there to assist them

2212
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,840
and uh I was at the 450 uh Advanced

2213
01:28:04,729 --> 01:28:02,400
nuclear research facility with a

2214
01:28:06,350 --> 01:28:04,739
scientists there but some of the SWAT

2215
01:28:07,850 --> 01:28:06,360
Team guys I talked to them you know and

2216
01:28:09,890 --> 01:28:07,860
they'd say man

2217
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:09,900
we see objects all over these all over

2218
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:12,360
this Mesa at night and I'll say well I

2219
01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:14,040
didn't see any and I but I was looking

2220
01:28:17,330 --> 01:28:15,960
you know and of course you've got the

2221
01:28:19,129 --> 01:28:17,340
cave dwellings and everything that

2222
01:28:21,169 --> 01:28:19,139
existed all back through there you know

2223
01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:21,179
I'm the Anastasia and all that's right

2224
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:23,400
there you know but I'll tell you what I

2225
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:25,679
did see I saw a marascinia a maricium

2226
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:28,679
element what's that 95 I think I saw

2227
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:30,840
that tested on the Kiva and I was in a

2228
01:28:37,129 --> 01:28:33,900
control room with a scientist well and

2229
01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:37,139
uh the room temperature went from

2230
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,480
68 degrees

2231
01:28:44,689 --> 01:28:42,239
two something unbelievable like 650

2232
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:44,699
degrees Fahrenheit and like 110 000 of a

2233
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:48,420
second whoa he told me he said if you're

2234
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:50,040
ever anywhere and you see this blue

2235
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:51,360
Flash and you're not in this control

2236
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:54,060
room now we had a two mile perimeter set

2237
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,679
up at that facility

2238
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:58,080
at the research facility there he said

2239
01:29:00,890 --> 01:28:59,280
if you're anywhere other than this

2240
01:29:02,810 --> 01:29:00,900
control room and you see that blue flash

2241
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:02,820
he said you're gone

2242
01:29:08,530 --> 01:29:06,239
wow so just you know and that was what

2243
01:29:12,110 --> 01:29:08,540
year 1980

2244
01:29:14,510 --> 01:29:12,120
788. yeah we don't know what's really

2245
01:29:17,149 --> 01:29:14,520
going on

2246
01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:17,159
yeah I mean Neutron devices we developed

2247
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,520
we made the RTG radioisotopic thermal

2248
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:22,320
nuclear generator

2249
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,659
it's a plutonium-fired battery it's not

2250
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,920
classified

2251
01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:27,920
about that long about that big around

2252
01:29:33,310 --> 01:29:30,900
and it's got a positive and a negative

2253
01:29:37,010 --> 01:29:33,320
and that goes between two Hemi shells

2254
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,020
and that generator is what causes

2255
01:29:42,110 --> 01:29:40,080
criticality ignites a criticality but

2256
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,120
they were sitting on a shoe box until we

2257
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:44,400
made those things and neutron devices in

2258
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:48,719
Largo which is now gone and this

2259
01:29:52,970 --> 01:29:51,120
scientist had these sitting in a shoe

2260
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:52,980
box on a shelf in this control room I

2261
01:29:57,290 --> 01:29:55,679
said hey aren't those rtgs now we you

2262
01:29:59,689 --> 01:29:57,300
know you wouldn't believe the level of

2263
01:30:02,689 --> 01:29:59,699
security we had protecting those where I

2264
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,699
came from and here at Los Alamos they

2265
01:30:08,290 --> 01:30:04,560
were sitting in a shoe box on top of a

2266
01:30:12,290 --> 01:30:10,669
I don't believe what I'm seeing I had to

2267
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:12,300
pick it up and it's still hot you know

2268
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:15,120
it stays like 180 degrees for like 10

2269
01:30:21,470 --> 01:30:18,840
000 years and I was like wow yeah so

2270
01:30:23,810 --> 01:30:21,480
yeah it's it's fascinating that you know

2271
01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:23,820
you had you had this encounter the

2272
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:27,000
series of encounters really and then you

2273
01:30:34,129 --> 01:30:30,300
know you were and it seems like there is

2274
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:34,139
a common uh protocol in a situation like

2275
01:30:38,330 --> 01:30:36,360
this where some guys show up that you

2276
01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:38,340
don't know they listen to the debrief

2277
01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:40,679
you get moved right away and then you

2278
01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:42,840
get shipped off somewhere this is I mean

2279
01:30:47,450 --> 01:30:45,300
it's come up with other people and then

2280
01:30:49,490 --> 01:30:47,460
you know I'm guessing like maybe Michael

2281
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,500
Johnson had the same thing happen to him

2282
01:30:55,370 --> 01:30:52,320
or something similar but then you went

2283
01:30:56,930 --> 01:30:55,380
on to work for these like incredibly you

2284
01:30:58,850 --> 01:30:56,940
know high level

2285
01:31:00,910 --> 01:30:58,860
um secretive you know National Labs

2286
01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:00,920
facilities that are doing like really

2287
01:31:07,490 --> 01:31:05,159
sensitive work and where other sightings

2288
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:07,500
often happen like at Los Alamos right

2289
01:31:13,370 --> 01:31:10,920
yeah or Y-12 in Oak Ridge

2290
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:13,380
or Oak Ridge absolutely there are tons

2291
01:31:19,490 --> 01:31:16,440
of sightings around there so you know do

2292
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,500
you do you think that there you know

2293
01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:22,080
I've heard you mentioned before that

2294
01:31:26,510 --> 01:31:24,120
that there are that there are hold ups

2295
01:31:29,390 --> 01:31:26,520
at periods where you know it took longer

2296
01:31:31,610 --> 01:31:29,400
for you to get approved to coming on to

2297
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:31,620
that moment of energy at some point now

2298
01:31:36,110 --> 01:31:33,600
do you think that on the other side of

2299
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:36,120
that that there's any chance that your

2300
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:39,840
career path actually benefited in terms

2301
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:42,480
of like those kinds of facilities having

2302
01:31:47,629 --> 01:31:44,639
having the past that you had in any way

2303
01:31:49,550 --> 01:31:47,639
shape or form well you know I've told

2304
01:31:51,709 --> 01:31:49,560
some of my real close friends that are

2305
01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:51,719
mostly done in Florida and I went up in

2306
01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:52,860
North Carolina

2307
01:31:58,189 --> 01:31:55,260
uh

2308
01:31:59,930 --> 01:31:58,199
when when I was hired at Neutron devices

2309
01:32:02,030 --> 01:31:59,940
in Largo Florida and that was my first

2310
01:32:04,430 --> 01:32:02,040
application for acute clearance which

2311
01:32:06,590 --> 01:32:04,440
acute clearance is in great detail now

2312
01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:06,600
of course I had a secret and then I had

2313
01:32:11,149 --> 01:32:08,100
a I don't know if it was nuclear

2314
01:32:12,530 --> 01:32:11,159
whatever PRP program you know in the Air

2315
01:32:14,990 --> 01:32:12,540
Force I mean but you're you're

2316
01:32:17,629 --> 01:32:15,000
specialized and you're just not

2317
01:32:19,729 --> 01:32:17,639
any any person walking off the street

2318
01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:19,739
just just can't secure a nuclear weapon

2319
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:23,340
in any state you know anywhere but um it

2320
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:25,380
took me eight months to obtain my first

2321
01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:26,760
few clearance

2322
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:28,620
and within that eight months I was

2323
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:30,719
called in to the office of the area

2324
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:33,360
office Pinellas Area Office where I met

2325
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,920
with the security officer there and two

2326
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,480
others one was from Oak Ridge and one

2327
01:32:40,370 --> 01:32:38,639
was from DC OPM office of personnel

2328
01:32:42,649 --> 01:32:40,380
management that's who does your

2329
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,659
clearances

2330
01:32:46,370 --> 01:32:44,400
and I was asked the series of questions

2331
01:32:49,010 --> 01:32:46,380
that I think

2332
01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:49,020
directly related to divulging anything

2333
01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:52,080
that happened in 1977 to see if not give

2334
01:32:55,370 --> 01:32:52,980
up

2335
01:32:57,169 --> 01:32:55,380
uh that information

2336
01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:57,179
and I would not

2337
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,920
and as asked questions all the way

2338
01:33:02,510 --> 01:33:00,239
around the entire

2339
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:02,520
parameters of it

2340
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:03,360
um

2341
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:05,760
and when I wouldn't give it up that's

2342
01:33:10,610 --> 01:33:08,340
what they wanted to hear had I started

2343
01:33:12,830 --> 01:33:10,620
to talk about it I think I wouldn't have

2344
01:33:15,229 --> 01:33:12,840
been granted my Q clearance and as soon

2345
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:15,239
as it was granted me

2346
01:33:18,770 --> 01:33:17,460
not two years later I had to go through

2347
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:18,780
a random

2348
01:33:23,930 --> 01:33:21,420
so it was just a continual basis like

2349
01:33:25,550 --> 01:33:23,940
that even when I went to Oak Ridge I was

2350
01:33:27,169 --> 01:33:25,560
in another one and that's that's really

2351
01:33:29,689 --> 01:33:27,179
serious in Oak Ridge compared to what

2352
01:33:31,790 --> 01:33:29,699
Neutron devices was because of different

2353
01:33:33,950 --> 01:33:31,800
programs here yeah three facilities in

2354
01:33:37,010 --> 01:33:33,960
three different valleys Paducah is a

2355
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:37,020
replicated facility in Kentucky of those

2356
01:33:41,209 --> 01:33:39,120
three facilities had gaseous diffusion

2357
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:41,219
Oak Ridge National Laboratory and the

2358
01:33:44,810 --> 01:33:43,199
Y-12 Machining facility all the NASA

2359
01:33:48,590 --> 01:33:44,820
tools are built there in a bunch of nice

2360
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:48,600
really cool stuff but um

2361
01:33:56,270 --> 01:33:52,560
they're always striving to try and

2362
01:33:58,729 --> 01:33:56,280
see what you will say about

2363
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,739
anything you're not supposed to if they

2364
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:00,480
can push you abroad you or say did you

2365
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:02,460
talk to so and so because think of all

2366
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:04,320
the way they'll go back 20 years in your

2367
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:06,000
history they'll go back to your third

2368
01:34:11,090 --> 01:34:07,199
grade teacher

2369
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:11,100
next door neighbors their next door

2370
01:34:14,270 --> 01:34:13,020
neighbor's kids that are surviving if

2371
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:14,280
you've ever did anything in any of them

2372
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:16,560
I mean they're really really thorough so

2373
01:34:20,570 --> 01:34:18,960
it really bothers me when I see people

2374
01:34:22,850 --> 01:34:20,580
and I'm going to say this on Capitol

2375
01:34:25,129 --> 01:34:22,860
Hill that don't that really

2376
01:34:27,649 --> 01:34:25,139
blow up a cue clearance what it means

2377
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:27,659
you know to obtain one and evidently

2378
01:34:32,450 --> 01:34:29,760
they're given one in some way fashion or

2379
01:34:36,410 --> 01:34:32,460
form I don't know I've earned mine

2380
01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:40,990
but but I must say that uh

2381
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:42,890
they're they're they're

2382
01:34:48,129 --> 01:34:44,760
um weighing into of interrogation and

2383
01:34:53,330 --> 01:34:51,229
really make it really allows you to make

2384
01:34:55,790 --> 01:34:53,340
a decision okay do I want to say what

2385
01:34:57,709 --> 01:34:55,800
happened do I want to say to them okay I

2386
01:35:02,209 --> 01:34:57,719
saw these

2387
01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:02,219
and I did this and this and this and

2388
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:04,080
they go check that box and take that Q

2389
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:06,239
clearance away and you're out of here so

2390
01:35:10,669 --> 01:35:09,120
you know to go from you know literally a

2391
01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:10,679
staff sergeant

2392
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:14,280
in the U.S Air Force to Doe

2393
01:35:20,450 --> 01:35:16,560
as a security inspector I mean the the

2394
01:35:22,250 --> 01:35:20,460
money is tremendous compared to

2395
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:22,260
and uh

2396
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:23,880
it's not that that's the most important

2397
01:35:29,629 --> 01:35:26,400
but the level of truck

2398
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:29,639
is and that's what I always went by and

2399
01:35:33,709 --> 01:35:31,320
that's what I still maintained today

2400
01:35:35,689 --> 01:35:33,719
best I can

2401
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:35,699
no it makes sense I mean if you can hold

2402
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,719
on to probably the most

2403
01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:41,040
life-altering thing that's happened to

2404
01:35:45,290 --> 01:35:43,080
you and keep that Insight without

2405
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,300
telling them they could probably trust

2406
01:35:49,250 --> 01:35:47,280
you with their secrets too you know when

2407
01:35:51,169 --> 01:35:49,260
layoffs started happening there in Oak

2408
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:51,179
Ridge that's when uh President Carter

2409
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:52,860
came through and he just kind of weighed

2410
01:35:56,990 --> 01:35:54,960
like this as they drove through matter

2411
01:35:58,370 --> 01:35:57,000
of fact I think it was in the

2412
01:36:01,790 --> 01:35:58,380
I think it wasn't part of the winter

2413
01:36:03,770 --> 01:36:01,800
time and three days prior to their

2414
01:36:05,689 --> 01:36:03,780
presidential ride through the facilities

2415
01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:05,699
because these are cities these are not

2416
01:36:11,209 --> 01:36:08,100
just plants these are cities with roads

2417
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:11,219
and names and red areas where whatever's

2418
01:36:15,530 --> 01:36:12,719
in there stays in there and can never

2419
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:15,540
come out it's taken to the website in

2420
01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:18,420
New Mexico and buried forever

2421
01:36:21,890 --> 01:36:19,020
um

2422
01:36:24,050 --> 01:36:21,900
they even painted the grass green it was

2423
01:36:26,570 --> 01:36:24,060
brown just for his Entourage to ride

2424
01:36:28,970 --> 01:36:26,580
through I'm not getting you I'm not

2425
01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:28,980
surprised later they started doing the

2426
01:36:33,169 --> 01:36:31,320
layoffs and I went out with about

2427
01:36:35,149 --> 01:36:33,179
10 000 people

2428
01:36:37,490 --> 01:36:35,159
just from the Y-12 facility because at

2429
01:36:40,970 --> 01:36:37,500
one time there were 30 000 people you

2430
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,980
know at just at Y-12 30 000. wow yeah

2431
01:36:48,770 --> 01:36:42,719
there were people at McDonald's downtown

2432
01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:51,410
yeah most people went out west like to

2433
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:53,820
Los Alamos at one time there were more

2434
01:36:57,110 --> 01:36:55,679
people with phds in Oak Ridge Tennessee

2435
01:36:59,149 --> 01:36:57,120
than there were anywhere else in the

2436
01:37:02,930 --> 01:36:59,159
United States now that's been supplanted

2437
01:37:05,930 --> 01:37:02,940
by Los Alamos I had a position or a job

2438
01:37:08,810 --> 01:37:05,940
offer at Tonopah nuclear test range and

2439
01:37:10,669 --> 01:37:08,820
I I would have gone but

2440
01:37:13,610 --> 01:37:10,679
um my wife didn't want to see the desert

2441
01:37:15,770 --> 01:37:13,620
Motif and we had two children and I even

2442
01:37:17,390 --> 01:37:15,780
bought an RV to go out there first and

2443
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:17,400
live but uh

2444
01:37:24,530 --> 01:37:19,679
when I Google Earth to what Google Earth

2445
01:37:26,330 --> 01:37:24,540
was at that time then what 1996 97 what

2446
01:37:28,430 --> 01:37:26,340
yeah it wasn't very much it was more

2447
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:28,440
cartoonish than it is today

2448
01:37:32,209 --> 01:37:29,280
um

2449
01:37:32,740 --> 01:37:32,219
uh it looked like

2450
01:37:35,410 --> 01:37:32,750
hell

2451
01:37:38,510 --> 01:37:35,420
[Laughter]

2452
01:37:39,770 --> 01:37:38,520
yes or if they had these houses built up

2453
01:37:42,530 --> 01:37:39,780
in the middle of nowhere and you had a

2454
01:37:45,290 --> 01:37:42,540
cactus front yard and this and I went oh

2455
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:45,300
man you know is that really worth it you

2456
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:47,760
know but uh I didn't I didn't go I wish

2457
01:37:52,669 --> 01:37:48,719
I

2458
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:52,679
have gone because it was just it seemed

2459
01:37:57,169 --> 01:37:55,380
as if the ball just kept rolling and uh

2460
01:38:00,350 --> 01:37:57,179
I just kept going deeper and deeper and

2461
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,360
I wish I would have gone to find out

2462
01:38:04,129 --> 01:38:02,400
more because I know mostly it's

2463
01:38:06,169 --> 01:38:04,139
underground you know I would like to see

2464
01:38:09,110 --> 01:38:06,179
some of that yeah

2465
01:38:11,450 --> 01:38:09,120
so I saw a Cheyenne Mountain and uh

2466
01:38:13,490 --> 01:38:11,460
that is unbelievable and I think there's

2467
01:38:16,129 --> 01:38:13,500
tours there you know in certain parts

2468
01:38:19,010 --> 01:38:16,139
but there's a lot more to it than what

2469
01:38:21,530 --> 01:38:19,020
you can see but uh all right this one

2470
01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:21,540
person in the chat keeps asking

2471
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:24,540
um how do you think the crafts work are

2472
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:27,840
they electro magnetic or what do you

2473
01:38:34,850 --> 01:38:33,110
I I think they are I don't yeah I don't

2474
01:38:37,970 --> 01:38:34,860
know how are we supposed to know but I

2475
01:38:39,709 --> 01:38:37,980
don't know what's your guess I think for

2476
01:38:40,729 --> 01:38:39,719
some reason there's something concerning

2477
01:38:43,010 --> 01:38:40,739
water

2478
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:43,020
uh I don't know why they're always

2479
01:38:46,970 --> 01:38:45,480
around water or dams or oceans are

2480
01:38:49,610 --> 01:38:46,980
coming out of the oceans or being

2481
01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:49,620
recorded taking water out of the great

2482
01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:51,719
lakes or wherever they're sided I mean

2483
01:38:55,790 --> 01:38:53,100
people have literally seen them

2484
01:38:58,129 --> 01:38:55,800
evaporating water up to them so is that

2485
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:58,139
hydrogen are they are they gleaning

2486
01:39:03,050 --> 01:39:00,800
hydrogen out of that or yeah what

2487
01:39:06,530 --> 01:39:03,060
adrenos are they're in water too right

2488
01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:06,540
or no yeah I mean yeah because there's

2489
01:39:10,850 --> 01:39:09,120
there's some there's so much that we

2490
01:39:12,350 --> 01:39:10,860
don't know right there's so much that we

2491
01:39:15,110 --> 01:39:12,360
don't know

2492
01:39:17,090 --> 01:39:15,120
um along along those lines

2493
01:39:19,070 --> 01:39:17,100
I in terms of

2494
01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:19,080
you know you've been

2495
01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:21,960
dealing with this privately and now

2496
01:39:28,189 --> 01:39:26,219
publicly you know for over 44 years now

2497
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:28,199
45 years now

2498
01:39:31,370 --> 01:39:29,280
um

2499
01:39:34,010 --> 01:39:31,380
I've got I've got two questions that are

2500
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:34,020
totally unrelated that I I and I want to

2501
01:39:39,550 --> 01:39:35,520
ask both of them but I don't know how

2502
01:39:42,649 --> 01:39:39,560
much time you have one is you know

2503
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:42,659
in situations like this often I mean I'm

2504
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:45,420
an experiencer myself so is Sean

2505
01:39:49,729 --> 01:39:47,340
um we've we've had our own experiences

2506
01:39:51,770 --> 01:39:49,739
uh you know I don't talk about them very

2507
01:39:54,169 --> 01:39:51,780
much on the show but I've I've also had

2508
01:39:56,689 --> 01:39:54,179
experiences with beings

2509
01:39:58,250 --> 01:39:56,699
um I've been I've had my own rounds of

2510
01:40:01,370 --> 01:39:58,260
questions from people and things like

2511
01:40:04,010 --> 01:40:01,380
that and like you I had experiences like

2512
01:40:07,729 --> 01:40:04,020
that with other people thankfully so

2513
01:40:11,450 --> 01:40:07,739
which added and helped in terms of like

2514
01:40:14,750 --> 01:40:11,460
the the like knowing from like day one

2515
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:14,760
okay if I'm crazy that guy's crazy too

2516
01:40:20,030 --> 01:40:17,760
you know what I mean and and that that

2517
01:40:23,209 --> 01:40:20,040
can be an enormous help in terms of like

2518
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:23,219
moving forward absolutely but but I also

2519
01:40:27,290 --> 01:40:24,840
know that you know

2520
01:40:29,090 --> 01:40:27,300
there have been situations in my life

2521
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:29,100
and lots of other people's lives other

2522
01:40:33,649 --> 01:40:31,440
experiences where it you know it either

2523
01:40:34,669 --> 01:40:33,659
pulls people together or it pushes them

2524
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,679
away

2525
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,960
so if you don't mind if you don't mind

2526
01:40:41,689 --> 01:40:38,639
saying you've mentioned your wife a few

2527
01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:41,699
times like how was that process for you

2528
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,380
because you said earlier you couldn't

2529
01:40:49,850 --> 01:40:45,840
talk to her about this or you were told

2530
01:40:52,129 --> 01:40:49,860
not to for a while and and you know what

2531
01:40:54,169 --> 01:40:52,139
was the process like for you when you

2532
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:54,179
started to talk about this situation

2533
01:40:57,610 --> 01:40:55,920
with with the people that you cared

2534
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:57,620
about or the people that cared about you

2535
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,480
and did that help in terms of like you

2536
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:02,159
being able to process and move forward

2537
01:41:06,169 --> 01:41:03,840
with your experience

2538
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,179
well I guess that answer is twofold

2539
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,159
because of the woman I was married to

2540
01:41:13,550 --> 01:41:11,040
that was with me at the time uh divorced

2541
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:13,560
me and I came back from Korea but

2542
01:41:17,390 --> 01:41:15,600
I guess where she was kind of led into

2543
01:41:20,209 --> 01:41:17,400
it in a way

2544
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,219
without me directly saying was um

2545
01:41:23,290 --> 01:41:22,080
seeing that movie Close Encounters or

2546
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:23,300
the Third Kind

2547
01:41:26,750 --> 01:41:25,920
went to the theater in Rapid City to see

2548
01:41:28,430 --> 01:41:26,760
it

2549
01:41:30,890 --> 01:41:28,440
and uh

2550
01:41:32,689 --> 01:41:30,900
when Roy nieri is uh in that vehicle

2551
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:32,699
when all the objects start appearing and

2552
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,040
it was honestly it was like what was

2553
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:36,960
going on in South Dakota I mean in

2554
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:39,060
around the missile area it wasn't just

2555
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,860
me seeing I just had this up close and

2556
01:41:43,850 --> 01:41:42,960
personal contact thing but there were

2557
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:43,860
other

2558
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:48,719
really weird I mean Devil's Tower is

2559
01:41:56,810 --> 01:41:54,649
but when he was at the mailbox scene and

2560
01:41:58,609 --> 01:41:56,820
he's got the flashlight in his mouth and

2561
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:58,619
he's sweating and he's got a parka on

2562
01:42:01,310 --> 01:42:00,239
and he's got a map in his hand and he's

2563
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:01,320
trying to read it because he don't know

2564
01:42:05,689 --> 01:42:03,360
why but he doesn't understand all these

2565
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,699
power outages are taking place

2566
01:42:08,810 --> 01:42:07,199
and all of a sudden there's a there's a

2567
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:08,820
light he waves around think it's a

2568
01:42:13,729 --> 01:42:11,040
vehicle it's a craft behind his his

2569
01:42:16,850 --> 01:42:13,739
vehicle and it raises up over the top of

2570
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:16,860
his vehicle and it shines down on it

2571
01:42:23,629 --> 01:42:20,880
when that happened when when a Spielberg

2572
01:42:26,689 --> 01:42:23,639
captured that

2573
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:26,699
I I I I just froze for a moment because

2574
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:29,040
of the intensity of that interior that

2575
01:42:34,370 --> 01:42:31,920
vehicle got just so bright and then he

2576
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,380
looked as it he looked at he looked as

2577
01:42:39,530 --> 01:42:36,719
if he was being pulled up in the back of

2578
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:39,540
that vehicle by like vacuum again and

2579
01:42:43,129 --> 01:42:41,040
that's what I felt and that's what I got

2580
01:42:45,649 --> 01:42:43,139
from it and the mailboxes started

2581
01:42:48,290 --> 01:42:45,659
railing I know that was just production

2582
01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:48,300
you know in film you know to to get your

2583
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:49,560
attention

2584
01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:52,440
but during that during that time when it

2585
01:42:58,189 --> 01:42:55,980
had him he was being like

2586
01:42:59,810 --> 01:42:58,199
hit with vibrations

2587
01:43:01,970 --> 01:42:59,820
if you go back and study that he was

2588
01:43:03,950 --> 01:43:01,980
being like bombarded by some kind of

2589
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,960
vibrations and he was it was affecting

2590
01:43:07,729 --> 01:43:05,040
him

2591
01:43:10,430 --> 01:43:07,739
and then all of a sudden it was over

2592
01:43:11,689 --> 01:43:10,440
just cut blank done and then the next

2593
01:43:13,490 --> 01:43:11,699
thing you know it appeared in an

2594
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:13,500
intersection up above him you know a way

2595
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:17,119
up further his from his position

2596
01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:20,760
when that scene happened I broke out in

2597
01:43:26,209 --> 01:43:22,380
the worst sweat I think I've ever had in

2598
01:43:28,490 --> 01:43:26,219
my life in that theater in Rapid City

2599
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:28,500
and I jumped up and I took off out of

2600
01:43:33,950 --> 01:43:31,440
that theater I left her right there

2601
01:43:37,010 --> 01:43:33,960
and I went and stood on the sidewalk and

2602
01:43:39,470 --> 01:43:37,020
I shook and I shook for probably two

2603
01:43:42,109 --> 01:43:39,480
hours and I could not stop that shaking

2604
01:43:45,290 --> 01:43:42,119
I'm almost doing it right now

2605
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:45,300
but that's exactly what how it affected

2606
01:43:49,490 --> 01:43:47,760
me just that visual that I saw him go

2607
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:49,500
through and I have never ever ever

2608
01:43:52,850 --> 01:43:51,119
forgotten that so that was her first

2609
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:52,860
premise to that

2610
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,280
and then I discussed it somewhat

2611
01:44:01,370 --> 01:43:58,560
wither I don't think she ever believed

2612
01:44:04,370 --> 01:44:01,380
me even though during that time I was

2613
01:44:06,890 --> 01:44:04,380
you know just eating up all these books

2614
01:44:09,050 --> 01:44:06,900
about pyramids and that kind of stuff

2615
01:44:11,330 --> 01:44:09,060
that Charles berlitz book on the Bermuda

2616
01:44:13,129 --> 01:44:11,340
Triangle I lost uh two of my father's

2617
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,139
cousins might have been I don't know

2618
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:15,600
their uncles or cousins on the Marine

2619
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:18,840
sofa Queen he got off of that ship in

2620
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,639
Port Arthur Texas they were 30 men

2621
01:44:25,070 --> 01:44:22,560
aboard that ship and they sailed with 29

2622
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:25,080
men two days later and my father was not

2623
01:44:29,090 --> 01:44:27,119
one of them and she went down and dried

2624
01:44:31,070 --> 01:44:29,100
Tortugas over the time of the ocean and

2625
01:44:33,530 --> 01:44:31,080
then we were triangle

2626
01:44:35,209 --> 01:44:33,540
thank God my dad wouldn't know it

2627
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,219
and uh

2628
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:40,189
nothing else was said about that for a

2629
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,199
long period of time and uh I didn't know

2630
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:45,119
how she took it she never really voiced

2631
01:44:48,050 --> 01:44:46,560
anything about it I never really said

2632
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:48,060
anything to me about it

2633
01:44:52,669 --> 01:44:50,639
and uh then of course brought her

2634
01:44:55,010 --> 01:44:52,679
Florida I went to Korea and then the

2635
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,020
rest is said and done and I got

2636
01:45:01,370 --> 01:44:58,080
remarried you know after uh I think in

2637
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:01,380
85 or something like that I it's been a

2638
01:45:07,970 --> 01:45:04,679
long time and um I'm sure she can tell

2639
01:45:11,450 --> 01:45:07,980
you one working the doe since 83 but

2640
01:45:12,169 --> 01:45:11,460
or since 80 since 83 yeah so anyway

2641
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:12,179
um

2642
01:45:17,629 --> 01:45:14,280
I didn't tell my wife now until night

2643
01:45:20,090 --> 01:45:17,639
when I could I was filled under that few

2644
01:45:23,090 --> 01:45:20,100
clearance and I told her I took her

2645
01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:23,100
camping for a weekend I had a nice RV in

2646
01:45:29,090 --> 01:45:26,760
Tennessee and her mother and uh another

2647
01:45:31,070 --> 01:45:29,100
friend or I think maybe it was her

2648
01:45:33,530 --> 01:45:31,080
brother or a

2649
01:45:34,729 --> 01:45:33,540
and uh I took her camping and in October

2650
01:45:36,290 --> 01:45:34,739
everything about it and I don't know if

2651
01:45:37,490 --> 01:45:36,300
she believed me at that time or not you

2652
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:37,500
know but I told her everything that

2653
01:45:41,629 --> 01:45:39,540
happened to me I showed her the marks on

2654
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,639
my body I have of course one under my

2655
01:45:44,330 --> 01:45:43,199
arm and I have one on my ankle I don't

2656
01:45:47,090 --> 01:45:44,340
know if you have pictures of those or

2657
01:45:49,129 --> 01:45:47,100
not can't figure out how I got those

2658
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:49,139
where they came from I've never

2659
01:45:53,209 --> 01:45:51,360
had any kind of emergency medical

2660
01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:53,219
attention or a car wreck or anything

2661
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:54,600
like that where that would have happened

2662
01:46:00,290 --> 01:45:58,800
but uh yeah anyway it really uh made her

2663
01:46:03,290 --> 01:46:00,300
think you know and she's never seen

2664
01:46:06,109 --> 01:46:03,300
anything so it's really been an ongoing

2665
01:46:07,729 --> 01:46:06,119
uh discussion with her you know when

2666
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:07,739
they when history came here for

2667
01:46:11,689 --> 01:46:10,139
unidentified they interviewed her and it

2668
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:11,699
really took her by a surprise and me too

2669
01:46:16,189 --> 01:46:13,920
and I kind of felt bad for her because

2670
01:46:19,010 --> 01:46:16,199
she wasn't married to me then so she

2671
01:46:22,250 --> 01:46:19,020
wasn't really um really is up to speed

2672
01:46:23,629 --> 01:46:22,260
you know and I just I just kind of I

2673
01:46:25,250 --> 01:46:23,639
just kind of felt bad for her you know

2674
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:25,260
and uh

2675
01:46:29,629 --> 01:46:27,780
the way that that was kind of done but I

2676
01:46:33,070 --> 01:46:29,639
had no control over that

2677
01:46:39,229 --> 01:46:36,370
she lives with it today I'm sorry

2678
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:39,239
so it's just an ongoing thing now with

2679
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,689
well I I mean do you have any other

2680
01:46:48,649 --> 01:46:46,800
questions today I feel a bit this has

2681
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:48,659
been going on for a while I and I really

2682
01:46:53,209 --> 01:46:50,400
appreciate your time and you've been so

2683
01:46:57,950 --> 01:46:53,219
gracious with it so yeah I got to a four

2684
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:57,960
in the morning man yeah well well I I my

2685
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,239
wife's got a hot plate of food waiting

2686
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:02,880
for me yeah yeah oh okay well well I've

2687
01:47:07,129 --> 01:47:05,280
got one one I'll look I have I have a

2688
01:47:10,729 --> 01:47:07,139
lot of questions but I'll narrow down to

2689
01:47:13,129 --> 01:47:10,739
one and um and before I ask it I'm gonna

2690
01:47:16,370 --> 01:47:13,139
I'm just gonna thank all of the partners

2691
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:16,380
spouses of us and all the experiencers

2692
01:47:22,490 --> 01:47:19,199
out there for for uh you know all that

2693
01:47:25,609 --> 01:47:22,500
they have to do in terms of you know

2694
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:25,619
um you know trusting uh you know their

2695
01:47:29,450 --> 01:47:27,840
partners and and moving through the

2696
01:47:32,330 --> 01:47:29,460
emotional process with them you know

2697
01:47:34,970 --> 01:47:32,340
it's it's not easy and you know when you

2698
01:47:36,770 --> 01:47:34,980
have that extra strap of having not been

2699
01:47:39,229 --> 01:47:36,780
there or having not had a similar

2700
01:47:41,390 --> 01:47:39,239
experience it takes that extra leap of

2701
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:41,400
faith so thanks to them and thanks to

2702
01:47:47,209 --> 01:47:44,639
Sean's wife true for having that plate

2703
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:47,219
of food I'm ready right now so along

2704
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,260
those lines one last question Mario

2705
01:47:54,649 --> 01:47:51,360
thank you so much for your time do you

2706
01:47:56,990 --> 01:47:54,659
have any uh do you have any advice for

2707
01:47:59,450 --> 01:47:57,000
fellow experiencers out there that might

2708
01:48:01,609 --> 01:47:59,460
have that might be holding on to their

2709
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:01,619
own account that might be holding on to

2710
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,560
these secrets uh to themselves

2711
01:48:08,930 --> 01:48:07,199
um in terms of you know how to how to

2712
01:48:11,629 --> 01:48:08,940
progress through life or how to move on

2713
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:11,639
or or how to integrate it I guess or any

2714
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,520
in any way shape or form any advice for

2715
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:17,280
those folks sure if uh

2716
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,900
if you're in any kind of personal

2717
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:20,880
reliability program

2718
01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:23,760
just take notes to yourself

2719
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,380
make sure you write everything down

2720
01:48:29,870 --> 01:48:27,840
because one day you won't be in that PRP

2721
01:48:32,450 --> 01:48:29,880
program any longer or have that security

2722
01:48:34,490 --> 01:48:32,460
clearance and you need answers

2723
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:34,500
and you need to talk to people like Sean

2724
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:36,719
Jay and others that are writing

2725
01:48:41,570 --> 01:48:38,880
somebody's fantastic books

2726
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:41,580
that you can really get good information

2727
01:48:46,669 --> 01:48:44,400
and glean many things concerning

2728
01:48:48,830 --> 01:48:46,679
yourself because these things are not

2729
01:48:51,530 --> 01:48:48,840
just privy to one person they've

2730
01:48:54,169 --> 01:48:51,540
happened to many whether you've seen it

2731
01:48:56,689 --> 01:48:54,179
from a distance up close

2732
01:48:59,629 --> 01:48:56,699
felt it witnessed it however you've come

2733
01:49:02,570 --> 01:48:59,639
across it and you know what it is write

2734
01:49:04,609 --> 01:49:02,580
it down don't be afraid of it you're not

2735
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:04,619
nuts because it's happened to millions

2736
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,719
of people across this world and it's

2737
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,159
continuing to happen and there's nothing

2738
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,320
we can do to prevent it or stop it not

2739
01:49:14,450 --> 01:49:11,760
until they want

2740
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:14,460
us to know who they are and they will

2741
01:49:19,070 --> 01:49:17,820
one day I hope I'm allowed to see it and

2742
01:49:21,310 --> 01:49:19,080
I hope they come here with good

2743
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,320
intentions I really do

2744
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:23,760
and that's all I know to say about that

2745
01:49:28,490 --> 01:49:26,520
that's beautiful well I hope you're

2746
01:49:29,930 --> 01:49:28,500
alive for it too Mario thank you so much

2747
01:49:32,930 --> 01:49:29,940
for your time today this has been

2748
01:49:34,970 --> 01:49:32,940
absolutely an honor and and a pleasure

2749
01:49:36,830 --> 01:49:34,980
to be able to talk to you

2750
01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:36,840
yeah thanks Mario good luck with

2751
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,940
everything and I'm sure we'll get to

2752
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:41,040
talk again soon hope you feel better go

2753
01:49:47,570 --> 01:49:44,159
eat that food man yeah all right Mario

2754
01:49:49,689 --> 01:49:47,580
thank you thank you thank you everybody

2755
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:49,699
all right

2756
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,040
good show with Mr Mario

2757
01:49:58,850 --> 01:49:55,920
yeah Sergeant Mario Woods that was

2758
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:58,860
wonderful and you know I'm I'm so I

2759
01:50:04,729 --> 01:50:01,199
remember seeing his account on

2760
01:50:06,530 --> 01:50:04,739
unidentified when it first aired and I

2761
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:06,540
you know I've read versions of that

2762
01:50:11,450 --> 01:50:08,639
account before and it was so great to

2763
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:11,460
hear it from the man himself uh he's

2764
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:14,400
he's just he's such a warm presence and

2765
01:50:19,729 --> 01:50:18,000
you know you can uh I just I feel you

2766
01:50:21,410 --> 01:50:19,739
know a strong sense of Integrity from

2767
01:50:24,890 --> 01:50:21,420
him you know just hearing his account

2768
01:50:27,709 --> 01:50:24,900
from himself it's great yeah I'm a

2769
01:50:29,810 --> 01:50:27,719
sucker for the accent too oh yeah that

2770
01:50:37,149 --> 01:50:29,820
always helps you could say anything to

2771
01:50:41,149 --> 01:50:39,590
he's a real good dude and I'm so

2772
01:50:43,550 --> 01:50:41,159
thankful that it that he did this and

2773
01:50:45,530 --> 01:50:43,560
shared his story with us so yeah me too

2774
01:50:47,330 --> 01:50:45,540
people got something from it me too and

2775
01:50:49,070 --> 01:50:47,340
I'm really glad to hear that he's one of

2776
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,080
the one of the guys that's gonna one of

2777
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:51,360
the people that's gonna be uh testifying

2778
01:50:57,470 --> 01:50:53,760
to the arrow office soon I'm you know

2779
01:50:58,970 --> 01:50:57,480
I'm I'm crossing my fingers I I I think

2780
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,980
we all we all want to see that happen

2781
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:00,960
and we all want good things to come out

2782
01:51:06,109 --> 01:51:03,840
of it and hopefully Mario it it's

2783
01:51:08,510 --> 01:51:06,119
helpful for Mario as well as for the

2784
01:51:11,090 --> 01:51:08,520
arrow office I hope that he feels like

2785
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:11,100
he gets some some closure or he gets

2786
01:51:16,609 --> 01:51:14,159
some more answers uh or you know sees

2787
01:51:19,370 --> 01:51:16,619
more from his case in that situation so

2788
01:51:21,950 --> 01:51:19,380
you know yeah fingers crossed yeah or

2789
01:51:24,350 --> 01:51:21,960
that somebody that's actually capable of

2790
01:51:26,090 --> 01:51:24,360
giving answers or at least you know the

2791
01:51:27,770 --> 01:51:26,100
most capable people of trying to get

2792
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:27,780
answers or actually doing something

2793
01:51:31,970 --> 01:51:29,820
about it would be it would be nice yeah

2794
01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:31,980
yeah

2795
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:34,020
absolutely all right well thanks to

2796
01:51:37,550 --> 01:51:35,760
everybody in the chat

2797
01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:37,560
um you've been great as always in the

2798
01:51:41,930 --> 01:51:40,260
chat always kind always you know very

2799
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,940
courteous and caring so I really

2800
01:51:44,750 --> 01:51:43,440
appreciate that very much

2801
01:51:47,390 --> 01:51:44,760
very much yeah I'm deeply appreciated

2802
01:51:48,590 --> 01:51:47,400
for me too well all right man I don't

2803
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:48,600
mean I don't want to keep your dinner

2804
01:51:55,810 --> 01:51:51,119
waiting any more than I already have

2805
01:52:00,890 --> 01:51:59,030
that's right I love you buddy I love you

2806
01:52:05,570 --> 01:52:00,900
too man we'll see you next time all

2807
01:52:05,580 --> 01:52:17,169
foreign

2808
01:52:32,410 --> 01:52:20,300
we're going to talk about flying saucers